Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[8ball]

Heavy chilli spice makes potatoes amazing

Oh yeah, most of the time when I have a baked spud there’s a good whack of chilli.

Something close to a good lamb vindaloo or seriously hot goat curry would be amazing, though.

 

[JimW]

It’s the vegan smokers I feel sorry for.

I resemble this remark!

 

[OzT]

The one time I tried to fry tofu, and last time, I heated the pan up, sliced a large chunk of tofu into it and the flames did reach the ceiling, abait, or is it abate?, a low ceiling.

Now I have brought pre cooked cubes from the Korean shop for just £2 so going to try that tonight in my fish/seafood/odd left over bits soup and noodles.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Yeah, fwiw I myself don't think cheese 'is addictive' (say like alcohol, heroin or cocaine) but it does bring on nice feelings and they may be a little addictive to some. Perhaps like hot chilli with its endorphin rush, also arguably somewhat addictive but more to do with the body's response than the substance itself.

tbh, I can't say that I properly understand the nature of addiction or know what it really is. Addiction appears to be quite a complicated machine with psychological and physical components. It is possible that cheese and other foods are addictive, it is also possible that they are not. According to this it is possible to be addicted to ANYTHING. (so that would include cheese).

I eventually found the first Dr Barnard video that I saw back in the day before youtube existed, where he talks about this at length.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I def get the chilli thing. I’m at that funny point where if I go out for, say, an Indian meal, if I’m in the mood for something a bit hot there are few places that can really believe how hot I like it. Most places don’t do anything that I wouldn’t call ‘mild’.

Trying to avoid the capsaicin a bit so that I can enjoy more of the menu.

It doesn’t take that much over a period of time before you’re in a bit of a no man’s land between ‘normal people’ and the place where serious chilli heads live. Those guys (and they’re mostly guys) are seriously into pain, which isn’t my bag. I just like enough heat to bring out the flavours.

I think I'm in that no man's land. I recently made a fermented chilli and garlic sauce that most people I've given to think is fearsome. I just think it's packed with flavour and have almost finished it...

 

[mojo pixy]

Addiction though is quite a specific thing and craving something really badly sometimes or even often isn't necessarily the same as being addicted to it. We paraphrase addiction with other expressions like hooked on, which are vaguer than addicted.

EtA, btw sucrose is both vegan and extremely addictive. Also, bacon and eggs for breakfast will keep a person feeling full for hours and hours too, it's not all about fibre.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Addiction though is quite a specific thing and craving something really badly sometimes or even often isn't necessarily the same as being addicted to it. We paraphrase addiction with other expressions like hooked on, which are vaguer than addicted.

tbh, that hasn't really resolved exactly what this "specific thing" is and how it works, and there appears to be many schools of thought and umpteen million phd research papers on the subject.

EtA, btw sucrose is both vegan and extremely addictive.

Well, Dr Barnard introduced his talk with sugar, in fact that was the very substance he used to "magnetise a baby".

 

[mojo pixy]

I began watching the vid, that's why I mentioned sucrose. It's more genuinely addictive than just about any other foodstuff.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

That's a really good, measured analogy and therefore does not belong on this thread

I beg to differ, this thread is exactly where decent quality posts should congregate. Why should the numpties have it all their own way.

 

[AnnaKarpik]

Funnily enough, this has been my experience too. If there is any hectoring to be had it usually comes from the very people accusing vegans of hectoring. One thing you won't see is vegans camped in burger threads dicking around and making a nuisance of themselves.

If you're implying this is a vegan thread for vegans you haven't read the title; this is explicitly a vegan thread for non-vegans, or not-yet vegans.
I think you do vegans an injustice on the dicking around front too, the ones I know are very good at it.

 

[8ball]

Well, Dr Barnard introduced his talk with sugar, in fact that was the very substance he used to "magnetise a baby".

Magnetise a baby...

 

[8ball]

If you're implying this is a vegan thread for vegans you haven't read the title; this is explicitly a vegan thread for non-vegans, or not-yet vegans.
I think you do vegans an injustice on the dicking around front too, the ones I know are very good at it.

#NotAllVegans

 

[PaoloSanchez]

If you're implying this is a vegan thread for vegans you haven't read the title; this is explicitly a vegan thread for non-vegans, or not-yet vegans.

Well according to our leader this started off as a troll thread. I'm not sure if that was the intention of the OP but it very quickly became a "lets have a dig at vegans for no good reason" thread. This appears to be something that happens wherever the word "vegan" appears in any thread on any forum. I'm simply presenting what I consider to be reasonable counter arguments to the usual stereotyped rubbish that is frequently posted. So yeah, the thread has long since drifted away and morphed from the title.

I think you do vegans an injustice on the dicking around front too, the ones I know are very good at it.

Funnily enough they haven't really demonstrated it in this forum anywhere, have they? Perhaps we need a full audit to clear this shit up.

 

[paolo]

For some reason I keep seeing the thread title as disconnected.

Angry Vegan:

“I’ve been really impressed with the new range in M&S... but ffs if anyone nicks my stapler again...”

 

[8ball]

The one time I tried to fry tofu, and last time, I heated the pan up, sliced a large chunk of tofu into it and the flames did reach the ceiling, abait, or is it abate?, a low ceiling.

Albeit.

I’ll try to remember to get the non-flammable stuff.

 

[OzT]

Thanks for that 8ball, albiet a bit late . . . lol!!

Yes best check out the label for flammability!

Had the prefried tofu from the Korean shop last night, was good. Still not going to fry my own though, that was a large as well as high flames from the frying pan!

 

[PaoloSanchez]

I just happened to be listening to an interview of rock legend Brian May by the former Sex Pistols guitarist Steve Jones on his radio show Jonesys jukebox, when I hear this from Dr May...

"We should all be vegan, I wish I was one".

Spoiler

May: I think we have dominion over every creature on this planet, which by rights I don't think we should. To me, every creature on this planet has an equal right to have a good life. We shouldn't be abusing animals. I think we got it all wrong. We weren't put here to be users and abusers of any other creatures on this planet. We are here to do good stuff.

Jones: Are you a vegan.

May: I wish I was a vegan, no, I'm a vegetarian and I haven't managed to make the journey to being vegan. A lot of my friends are, and I eat a lot of vegan food, but I can't call myself a vegan.

Jones: You like a bit of goat cheese

May: I like cheese but I don't like the process by which it's obtained. Cheese is a hard one, because vegan cheese is really not desirable. I'm not a big soy fan.

Jones: I've been off the meat for a while, I'm trying to go that way. I do have a weakness for a bit of goat cheese.

May: Yeah, I have a weakness for cheese, it's hard to give up, but I spent a lot of time around dairy farmers in England because I'm involved in trying to save the badger from "legalised" persecution because it's blamed for bovine TB...
...I've seen a lot of dairy farms and there are some very good dairy farmers but I don't think we should be doing it, I really don't. We're not designed to drink the milk of a cow, why should we be, there's an awful lot of stuff in it that's not good for us.

Jones: Do you remember the commercials when you were a kid. "Milk's good for ya..."

May: Well it was based on no scientific evidence whatsoever, yeah, milks supposed to be great for you bones and it's essential...well this is propaganda you know, we all swallowed it but it's probably not the case so drinking almond milk is probably a whole lot better for you and in the end it's better for the environment too and it's better from the point of view of animal cruelty so yeah we should all be vegan, we damn well should be.

Top geezer, and not looking too bad for 70. Loved the interview.

Of course just because a celeb says something and gives an endorsement doesn't mean that everyone should blindly follow them, but hopefully people like him in influential positions plant the seeds that get people thinking.

 

[mojo pixy]

Again, Bryan Adams

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Again, Bryan Adams

"Anything I do, I do it for you". Good on grizzly, the more the merrier.

 

[8ball]

Bryan Ferry is apparently still to be convinced.

 

[gosub]

Bryan Ferry is apparently still to be convinced.

Meatloaf would be a coup

 

[8ball]

Meatloaf would be a coup

As would Kevin Bacon.

 

[OzT]

Didn't this use to be in General forum?

 

[Yossarian]

Meatloaf would be a coup

He was vegetarian for a while, but didn't change his name to Nut Loaf.

I was a vegetarian for 10 years. There’ve been vegetarians who wouldn’t speak to me because of my name. I was sitting with Jon Bon Jovi at one of those awards things, and I say, ”Oh, man, I love k.d. lang. I’d really like to meet her.” They went to find out if it was okay, and she goes, ”No. His name is Meat Loaf.” I stopped being a k.d. lang fan after that.

Why Meat Loaf borrowed money from Scary Spice

 

[Horus Snacks]

Bryan Ferry is apparently still to be convinced.

Certainly not by his son

 

[Horus Snacks]

Addiction though is quite a specific thing and craving something really badly sometimes or even often isn't necessarily the same as being addicted to it. We paraphrase addiction with other expressions like hooked on, which are vaguer than addicted.

EtA, btw sucrose is both vegan and extremely addictive. Also, bacon and eggs for breakfast will keep a person feeling full for hours and hours too, it's not all about fibre.

And healthier

 

[8ball]

And healthier

Well, most things would be healthier than sucrose for breakfast.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

 

[PaoloSanchez]

So the BBC marked the end of "Veganuary" this news item...



I thought it was a bit lightweight but at least it didn't have the negative dig that the BBC usually includes in their reports, presumably for "balance".

 

[Horus Snacks]

I don't think you can get enough nutrition from veg alone, but if that's what people wish to eat that's fine.