Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Jeff Robinson]

Veganuary So the sanctimonious can dip their toe into providing facebook comment about their every fuck meal.

... or maybe an initiative that provides assistance and encouragement to people who no longer want to support the violent abuses of the animal industrial complex?

I’m sorry you have to see pictures of tofu stir fry and tarka daal on you FB wall tho.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

tarka daal

The one that’s like normal daal, just a little ‘otter?

 

[Bird of prey]

Veganuary So the sanctimonious can dip their toe into providing facebook comment about their every fuck meal.

... or maybe an initiative that provides assistance and encouragement to people who no longer want to support the violent abuses of the animal industrial complex?

I’m sorry you have to see pictures of tofu stir fry and tarka daal on you FB wall tho.

I'm in it for the beach body myself lol.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

... or maybe an initiative that provides assistance and encouragement to people who no longer want to support the violent abuses of the animal industrial complex?

I’m sorry you have to see pictures of tofu stir fry and tarka daal on you FB wall tho.

Stoptober, Movember, Decembeard, Dry January...Veganuary...

...a bit gimmicky in some ways, but mostly harmless. I'm not sure why any of those should bother folks that aren't particularly interested. Veganuary has little impact on me personally I think as you said, it's good to see a bit of encouragement for those that want to give it a try.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Stoptober, Movember, Decembeard, Dry January...Veganuary...

...a bit gimmicky in some ways, but mostly harmless. I'm not sure why any of those should bother folks that aren't particularly interested. Veganuary has little impact on me personally I think as you said, it's good to see a bit of encouragement for those that want to give it a try.

Piers Morgan delivers a powerful critique of veganuary and veganism with all the grace, dignity and intellectual rigour you'd expect from him:

 

[Calamity1971]

Piers Morgan delivers a powerful critique of veganuary and veganism with all the grace, dignity and intellectual rigour you'd expect from him:

Well done to the vegan for such composure, not an easy task when sat opposite that stupid, ignorant shouty twat. My knuckles were white watching that.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Piers Morgan delivers a powerful critique of veganuary and veganism with all the grace, dignity and intellectual rigour you'd expect from him:

Well, vegans have Morrisey, meat eaters have Morgan.

Veganuary Hits Back At Piers Morgan As It Reaches 135,000 Sign Ups

 

[editor]

Piers Morgan delivers a powerful critique of veganuary and veganism with all the grace, dignity and intellectual rigour you'd expect from him:

I'm not going to waste my time watching that because I don't give a shit about what that twat thinks about anything, ever.

 

[Yossarian]

I'm not going to waste my time watching that because I don't give a shit about what that twat thinks about anything, ever.

I'm guessing it's something along the lines of "If people want to be vegan that's their business but I'm sick of them trying to shove their cucumbers down my throat" - or is that more Richard Littlejohn's style?

 

[ddraig]

*lights touch paper
Imagine some of the comments there will match some on this thread
Yes, being vegan does make me a better person – and, deep down, I think you know it

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

*lights touch paper
Imagine some of the comments there will match some on this thread
Yes, being vegan does make me a better person – and, deep down, I think you know it

Can’t read the article without having to register...

 

[ddraig]

Ah bollocks! Didn't check, oops

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Although going on the title and name of the writer I could probably have a fair stab at working it out

 

[mojo pixy]

*lights touch paper
Imagine some of the comments there will match some on this thread
Yes, being vegan does make me a better person – and, deep down, I think you know it

Can't read the whole article but tbh I think that attitude I am a better person than you and deep down you know it could come from any number of sources other than diet. Eh you work in the media and I work as a nurse and that makes me a better person and you know it, or yes I ride a bike and you drive a car and that makes me a better person than you and you know it, etc etc. Problem with that attitude is ultimately it can work against you as well as for you, whoever you are. Nobody's perfect etc. But I am better than you cuz.......

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Can't read the whole article but tbh I think that attitude I am a better person than you and deep down you know it could come from any number of sources other than diet. Eh you work in the media and I work as a nurse and that makes me a better person and you know it, or yes I ride a bike and you drive a car and that makes me a better person than you and you know it, etc etc. Problem with that attitude is ultimately it can work against you as well as for you, whoever you are. Nobody's perfect etc. But I am better than you cuz.......

Yes, on this I absolutely agree. Vegans should never claim they are morally superior people based solely on their avoidence of animal products first because that’s just terrible PR and confirms people’s worst stereotypes about vegans and second because, as you say, there is no single signifier of a ‘good’ person, all of us have our ethical strengths and weaknesses and it’s incredibly reductive to base judgements on one aspect of somebody’s life.

I’m not familiar with this author but I wonder if he actually wrote that title and strapline. Standardly authors do not have control over such matter and it sounds like perfect clickbait/trolling material for the torygraph.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Yes, on this I absolutely agree. Vegans should never claim they are morally superior people based solely on their avoidence of animal products first because that’s just terrible PR and confirms people’s worst stereotypes about vegans and second because, as you say, there is no single signifier of a ‘good’ person, all of us have our ethical strengths and weaknesses and it’s incredibly reductive to base judgements on one aspect of somebody’s life.

I hear where you're coming from on this and agree in part. The problem comes in separating the ACT from the PERSON. In my opinion, the ACT of killing and eating animals when there's no good reason for doing so IS an inferior act in a number of aspects including moral, environment and health. In this regard the act of avoiding animal products is a SUPERIOR act in comparison.

Does that mean that a vegan is necessarily superior to a meat eater? Of course not, because nobody is without some kind of fault. However, I have no problem with veganism itself being promoted as a better lifestyle choice for those that believe it to be one.
Folks who strongly disagree with that position can simply carry on with the normal day and ignore the vegans, unaffected by any potential moral conundrums.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

As far as eating is concerned, humans are the most stupid animals on the planet.
We kill billions of wild animals to protect the animals that we eat.
We are destroying our environment to feed to the animals we eat.
We spend more time, money and resources fattening up the animals that we eat, than we do feeding humans who are dying of hunger.
The greatest irony is that after all the expenses of raising these animals, we eat them; and they kill us slowly.
And rather than recognize this madness, we torture and murder millions of other animals trying to find cures to diseases caused by eating animals in the first place.

Mike Anderson

 

[Spymaster]

As far as eating is concerned, humans are the most stupid animals on the planet.
We kill billions of wild animals to protect the animals that we eat.
We are destroying our environment to feed to the animals we eat.
We spend more time, money and resources fattening up the animals that we eat, than we do feeding humans who are dying of hunger.
The greatest irony is that after all the expenses of raising these animals, we eat them; and they kill us slowly.
And rather than recognize this madness, we torture and murder millions of other animals trying to find cures to diseases caused by eating animals in the first place.

Mike Anderson

Mike Anderson is a fucking idiot.

 

[rubbershoes]

Mike Anderson is a fucking idiot.

But Thunderbirds was brilliant

 

[Ralph Llama]

Vegansim is just as capitalist and wrong as buying any other product off the shelf . If you want to be up your own arse go bin diving FTW. I tried growing and processing my own crops .... even with Quinoa (easy to grow and process) it just took to much time out of the day. Theres only one 100% self sufficent vegan community that I know of on the planet and the turnover is high

 

[gentlegreen]

I tried growing and processing my own crops .... even with Quinoa (easy to grow and process) it just took to much time out of the day.

Where were you growing quinoa ?

 

[NoXion]

As far as eating is concerned, humans are the most stupid animals on the planet.
We kill billions of wild animals to protect the animals that we eat.
We are destroying our environment to feed to the animals we eat.
We spend more time, money and resources fattening up the animals that we eat, than we do feeding humans who are dying of hunger.
The greatest irony is that after all the expenses of raising these animals, we eat them; and they kill us slowly.
And rather than recognize this madness, we torture and murder millions of other animals trying to find cures to diseases caused by eating animals in the first place.

Mike Anderson

It's not just to protect livestock that wild animals are killed. Or does he really think that taking up space to grow crops doesn't cause wild animal deaths that would not have otherwise occurred? Same thing with environmental damage. The problem is that under capitalism food is a commodity and the companies that produce it can easily offload the negative externalities of their business decisions.

Enough food is being grown for people the world over to eat themselves sick. Again the problem is due to food being a commodity that most people have to pay for, rather than being a birthright for all.

Given that most people in the world aren't vegan and life expectancies have been historically increasing, it's exaggeration to the point of being disingenuous to say that eating meat is "killing us slowly":

As for animal testing, that is done for all kinds of diseases, and is very much a necessary part of medical research.

So yeah, Mike Anderson is a fucking idiot.

 

[gentlegreen]

Personally I look to the outliers in the stats -like Okinawa.
That's the sort of diet I'm gravitating towards - though with oily fish in place of pork - and I doubt I'll be getting my carbs from sweet potatoes.

 

[Ralph Llama]

Where were you growing quinoa ?

An anarcho-primitivist vegan co-op in Herefordshire, it grew well !

 

[mojo pixy]

An anarcho-primitivist vegan co-op in Herefordshire, it grew well !

I spy with my little eye, something beginning with B .. odenham?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

"we eat them; and they kill us slowly."

How do they do that then? Raise themselves from the dead and hunt us in our sleep?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Personally I look to the outliers in the stats -like Okinawa.

Yep, looking at outlying results in any statistical analysis is definitely the way to get a good grasp of the data.

 

[NoXion]

"we eat them; and they kill us slowly."

How do they do that then? Raise themselves from the dead and hunt us in our sleep?

According to some vegetablists, humans are not "meant" to consume animal products, and this is supposedly reflected in the fact that us bloodmouths allegedly die earlier.

Which is of course why humans don't have canine teeth, never exhibit lactase persistence into adulthood, and certainly don't have the medium-length digestive tracts that indicate being an omnivore. Oh wait.

 

[Ralph Llama]

I spy with my little eye, something beginning with B .. odenham?

B ? Earthworms it was☺

 

[ddraig]

According to some vegetablists, humans are not "meant" to consume animal products, and this is supposedly reflected in the fact that us bloodmouths allegedly die earlier.

Which is of course why humans don't have canine teeth, never exhibit lactase persistence into adulthood, and certainly don't have the medium-length digestive tracts that indicate being an omnivore. Oh wait.

Well done!! Few more ticked off the anti vegan bingo card there