Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?
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PaoloSanchez
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Well, before I accept your assertion that the existence of food deserts is indeed "a fact", definition of what exactly a "food desert" is would be helpful, but regardless, it doesn't change my original point, that if someone is actually living in a genuine bona fide food desert would have similar challenges whether they were vegan or meat eater.
I guess you don't really know much about where I've lived, and yes I have lived genuinely "out in the sticks" with no nearby proper roads, with no running mains water or electricity and no nearby supermarket. I guess that some would call that a "food desert" although that's not what I would call it.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
What struck me was that the owner of the ketchup felt the need to write his name on the bottle. Sauce theft obv a problem in that police station.
Bird of prey
New Member
I've read posts on whether it's ok to eat yeast, that cows are 'raped', lots of martyr-ish posts about how hard it is and some serious oversharing about bowel movements. One person asked if other people were also 'so scared of eating the wrong thing that they're not eating anything? Am starving.' That's more than batshit, it's actually quite offensive. This is a choice, people! Get over yourselves...
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
can you try that post again please? can't work out your point(s)
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
I worked with a lass whose boyfriend didn’t eat yeast - that (for me at least) is a bit on the batshit side.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
IMHO, healthy bowel movements should be high on anyone's list of priorities - whatever their diet - though my daily experiences of what others leave behind seem to vindicate my choice for a very nearly all vegetable diet.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Regarding that rhetorical trick he opened up with, that's an example of what happens when people accept whatever someone else speaks with authority in front of a willing audience, which does nothing to really support the rest of his thesis since he's speaking with authority in front of a willing audience. One could in theory have actually measured the circles rather than guessing by eye, but the audience is never given that chance. However, there is no objective measurement that can be done to determine whether it's right to kill animals for food. Or whether whether it is right or wrong to enslave other humans, for that matter. Morality is not a matter of measurement, so this example he's using is total rubbish. This dude's rhetorical crap evaporates if you examine it closely.
Pointing out that the fancy packaging doesn't look like how the food is actually produced isn't news to anyone who is at least a semi-functioning adult.
Yeah, the US kills a lot of animals for food. That's what happens when you have a population of about 300 million people, with many of them living wealthy enough lives to eat meat and dairy products on a regular basis. Like anti-abortion types, veganists seem to love spouting large figures, while seemingly forgetting that meat eaters have no real reason to be concerned about the number of animals killed for food, because as far as meat eaters are concerned, there is nothing wrong with killing animals for food in the first place. "By the time I'm finished today, there'll be over a million animals that have been slaughtered" ...and?
Nobody told me I "had to" eat meat to get protein. Other sources are available. But meat is a good source of protein, as much as vegans might like to avoid that fact. Nor did anyone tell me that I had to consume cows' milk, and only cow's milk, to have a good source of calcium and thus strong and healthy bones. I enjoyed some rather nice cheeses this Christmas, one made from ewes' milk and one of them made from goats' milk.
Nobody told me my diet was "natural", and I know full well that it isn't. How many strawmen is this cunt going to roll out?
Oh my fuck, is he really going there with the pictures of strawberries and piglets? Yes, I think he is. Fruits are specialised parts of plants that have evolved to be eaten by animals, that's why (human tinkering aside) they smell nice you fucking weasel. Pigs evolved to not be eaten by predators, and our selective breeding after that didn't select for traits that make pigs easier to eat raw.
How animals are turned into meat is not a fucking secret, oh my fuck!
What a load of patronising wank! People participate in the process all the time, mainly because that's their fucking job.People would have problem with butchering a hog in a lecture theatre mainly because it's not the right place to do it. Maybe they'll have welfare or hygiene concerns. Or maybe they would have come expecting a talk, not a demonstration of butchering technique. This guy really likes to make broad-brush assumptions about his audience. As for myself, I would have no problem with people coming to see a hog being butchered. In fact if anything, I think more people should at least try to get their hands dirty like that. So, no hypocrisy here, phew!
Few people seem to like the idea of cleaning sewers for a living, but that doesn't make them hypocrites for making use of indoor plumbing.
No, I would happily give dog meat a try. I don't judge other cultures harshly for eating animals that I would consider to be pets, because I'm mature enough to know that other cultures see things differently. What kind of fucking audience is he talking to, a bunch of schoolkids?! Nah, I reckon schoolkids would be bored by this dude's bullshit. So most people in the West see dogs as pets not food. So fucking what? Does this dude not know that animals can be domesticated for reasons other than being a food source, right?
Right and wrong aren't universal unless you're one of those who believe in some kind objective morality. Welcome to Moral Philosophy 101.
So culture isn't natural any more? What is, then? Also, this guy seems to be equating "natural" with "good" or "normal". That's a fallacy.
Three year old kids will pet pretty much any animal they can get their grubby little paws on. Why are you bringing this up when practically all human cultures will agree that a three year old child has yet to properly develop their moral faculties? Besides, if we decided on what to eat based on the preferences of most three year old kids, then vegetables would be banned and sweet shop items would feature heavily. Three year old children are not a useful guide for morality, you dumbshit.
Holy fucking shit, apparently this knob has a degree. It's in Humane Education, which sounds like bullshit if I ever heard it. I wonder what "institution" is handing out those.
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Big up the Vegans as long as they dont market it as a solution to capitalism.... because its quite obviously not. In fact its all the rage with the social elite.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
TLR!
Consider it a service for those who for whatever reason can't be bothered to watch a stupid clickbaity video.
You're welcome.
mojo pixy
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''Hands up if you think the red one is larger'' .. ''Hands up if you think the blue one is larger''
Umm excuse me, I think they're the same.
''No, you have to choose - which one is larger??''
OK then, eh,the blue one?
''Wrong, Ha! They're the same lol''
But you just said--
''No I has a degree in this shit! U must listen!!11
What a prick.
Umm excuse me, I think they're the same.
''No, you have to choose - which one is larger??''
OK then, eh,the blue one?
''Wrong, Ha! They're the same lol''
But you just said--
''No I has a degree in this shit! U must listen!!11
What a prick.
I once stood up in an anarchist social center when this vegan amarican hippy (parently famous or some shit) who was selling her book and giving a lecuture on the way PR uses sex to sell meat(which was great), suggested that if we all went vegan then we could overthrough global capitalsim. Cos it was not really an anarchist social center(The Cowly) you had the entire fucking audience licking her bits about it. There was this self satisfying glow in the roomn of all these people IMO thinking..... YES! we are the ones , and we are doing enough... which smaks of a religion to me so I made the point that vegansim as a spiritual/ or health choice is great but its not going to do anything to global capitalism. In fact, you couldnt import all that shit for that price without borders and slavery . She didnt have anything to come back with at all! NOTHING. I was dissapointed . Anyone here hold those notions .... cos i dontknow maybe she was tired and at the end of a long tour or summin :/
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
it's not about YOU, lots of I's in your responseRegarding that rhetorical trick he opened up with, that's an example of what happens when people accept whatever someone else speaks with authority in front of a willing audience, which does nothing to really support the rest of his thesis since he's speaking with authority in front of a willing audience. One could in theory have actually measured the circles rather than guessing by eye, but the audience is never given that chance. However, there is no objective measurement that can be done to determine whether it's right to kill animals for food. Or whether whether it is right or wrong to enslave other humans, for that matter. Morality is not a matter of measurement, so this example he's using is total rubbish. This dude's rhetorical crap evaporates if you examine it closely.
Pointing out that the fancy packaging doesn't look like how the food is actually produced isn't news to anyone who is at least a semi-functioning adult.
Yeah, the US kills a lot of animals for food. That's what happens when you have a population of about 300 million people, with many of them living wealthy enough lives to eat meat and dairy products on a regular basis. Like anti-abortion types, veganists seem to love spouting large figures, while seemingly forgetting that meat eaters have no real reason to be concerned about the number of animals killed for food, because as far as meat eaters are concerned, there is nothing wrong with killing animals for food in the first place. "By the time I'm finished today, there'll be over a million animals that have been slaughtered" ...and?
Nobody told me I "had to" eat meat to get protein. Other sources are available. But meat is a good source of protein, as much as vegans might like to avoid that fact. Nor did anyone tell me that I had to consume cows' milk, and only cow's milk, to have a good source of calcium and thus strong and healthy bones. I enjoyed some rather nice cheeses this Christmas, one made from ewes' milk and one of them made from goats' milk.
Nobody told me my diet was "natural", and I know full well that it isn't. How many strawmen is this cunt going to roll out?
Oh my fuck, is he really going there with the pictures of strawberries and piglets? Yes, I think he is. Fruits are specialised parts of plants that have evolved to be eaten by animals, that's why (human tinkering aside) they smell nice you fucking weasel. Pigs evolved to not be eaten by predators, and our selective breeding after that didn't select for traits that make pigs easier to eat raw.
How animals are turned into meat is not a fucking secret, oh my fuck!
People would have problem with butchering a hog in a lecture theatre mainly because it's not the right place to do it. Maybe they'll have welfare or hygiene concerns. Or maybe they would have come expecting a talk, not a demonstration of butchering technique. This guy really likes to make broad-brush assumptions about his audience. As for myself, I would have no problem with people coming to see a hog being butchered. In fact if anything, I think more people should at least try to get their hands dirty like that. So, no hypocrisy here, phew!
Few people seem to like the idea of cleaning sewers for a living, but that doesn't make them hypocrites for making use of indoor plumbing.
No, I would happily give dog meat a try. I don't judge other cultures harshly for eating animals that I would consider to be pets, because I'm mature enough to know that other cultures see things differently. What kind of fucking audience is he talking to, a bunch of schoolkids?! Nah, I reckon schoolkids would be bored by this dude's bullshit. So most people in the West see dogs as pets not food. So fucking what? Does this dude not know that animals can be domesticated for reasons other than being a food source, right?
Right and wrong aren't universal unless you're one of those who believe in some kind objective morality. Welcome to Moral Philosophy 101.
So culture isn't natural any more? What is, then? Also, this guy seems to be equating "natural" with "good" or "normal". That's a fallacy.
Three year old kids will pet pretty much any animal they can get their grubby little paws on. Why are you bringing this up when practically all human cultures will agree that a three year old child has yet to properly develop their moral faculties? Besides, if we decided on what to eat based on the preferences of most three year old kids, then vegetables would be banned and sweet shop items would feature heavily. Three year old children are not a useful guide for morality, you dumbshit.
Holy fucking shit, apparently this knob has a degree. It's in Humane Education, which sounds like bullshit if I ever heard it. I wonder what "institution" is handing out those.
of course it's broad brushes and a bit simplistic, more people can get with it then see.
a lot of children do not know where meat comes from as it is hidden from them, deliberately
someone was even kicking off the other day about people standing in their city centre with videos of slaughterhouses etc as they didn't want their kids to see it even if it is the truth and that they were too young to know the truth, "one day they can find out for themselves"
are you denying that people are conditioned into what is a pet and what isn't and also that the reality of meat is generally hidden, especially from those of a young age?? and why isn't the meat called 'pig', 'cow' etc?
it's a fact that the film babe created a shitload of vegis as the kids saw the truth, and many parents etc were not happy about it
a 3yr old will pet anything, yes so? then they are told what is and what isn't food, where the fuck does that arbitrary line come from?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
There's a lot of I's because a lot of the shit that twat is just assuming applies to me, doesn't. It's a pretty fucking poor argument if it relies on making so many unfounded assumptions about its audience.
My parents never hid the origin of meat from me. The people who do that to their kids are idiots. Same thing with the parents who hide the origins of babies from their kids. But you don't have be a prude or an anti-natalist in order to object to people to stand around the city centre playing explicit videos of people having sex and giving birth, in order to make some political point. So when it comes to dietary ideologues trying to make their point in the most obnoxious and confrontational manner they can, I think people can be free to object without those same ideologues having good reason to whine about it.
The reason English-speakers tend to call it pork, rather than swineflesh, is because of the Norman invasion. Being a bunch of conquerors subjugating the native peasantry, they saw more of the meat on the plate than they did of the animal in the field. So as the Norman French language blended with that of the Anglo-Saxons, that class divide left its mark on what we would come to call Modern English. It's a bit older than a small group of soft-headed urban types being swayed by a film.
The point is that three year olds aren't exactly in the best position to determine what is and isn't food, so the attempt to appeal to their tendency to pet anything furry tells us nothing about the rights and wrong of what animals a particular culture eats or not.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
mojo pixy
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Not the only example of the animal name being EnglishEnglish and the meat name being FrenchEnglish either. They just about all are.
Sheep - Mutton
Cow / Bull (Norse) - Beef
Chicken / Hen - Poultry
Calf - Veal
as well as Pig - Pork.
EtA, Horse is an interesting one. Some cultures eat them, some don't. eg, France (Oui s'il vous plait avec frites) and Britain (''So hungry I could...'' denoting that I normally wouldn't. Plus cultural taboos over eating horses, viz profuse Anglo-Saxon horse iconography etc)
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I know ! ... slightly compromising the Vegan principle ... or is it ? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhEr, pardon?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
remember this ain't squatjuice or dirty circus now Ralph Llama
I am not trolling or saying anything against vegans HONESTLY. was just a joke . I have been Vegan and lived on anarcho primitivist vegan co-ops for time.
Why would I change my behaviour cos i`m on a different forum
(I have been trolled by 3 members of this forum already... one being the editor)
Why would I change my behaviour cos i`m on a different forum
(I have been trolled by 3 members of this forum already... one being the editor)
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
no the crudenessI am not trolling or saying anything against vegans HONESTLY. was just a joke . I have been Vegan and lived on anarcho primitivist vegan co-ops for time.
Why would I change my behaviour cos i`m on a different forum
(I have been trolled by 3 members of this forum already... one being the editor)
nothing to do with vegans
You cant be serious I am a working class punk from the Valleys ..Scarred by industrial accidents , the gentrifacation of my culture, and too many violent evictions .... errr guess this place aint for me then TBH. Oh well . Keep up the good work peeps 
I am a working class punk from the Valleys ..Scarred by industrial accidents , the gentrifacation of my culture, and too many violent evictions .... errr guess this place aint for me then TBH. Oh well . Keep up the good work peeps 
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
Oh no, please don't leave. You're authentic.You cant be serious
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
don't be silly now, just letting you know some shit don't fly here!You cant be serious
e2a might have worked out who ya are now too
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
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