Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Yuwipi Woman]

Personally I look to the outliers in the stats -like Okinawa.
That's the sort of diet I'm gravitating towards - though with oily fish in place of pork - and I doubt I'll be getting my carbs from sweet potatoes.

Their sweet potato varieties are different than western ones anyway. Theirs are more like this:

Murasaki 29 PP19955 Sweet Potato Seeds and Plants, Vegetable Seeds at Burpee.com

 

[mr steev]

Which is of course why humans don't have canine teeth.

 

[8ball]

Well done!! Few more ticked off the anti vegan bingo card there

Didn't realise it was a vegan essential that humans are not "meant" to eat meat, thought that was just a woo-vegan thing (I found some anti-woo vegans on tinternet, so I know they exist).

 

[8ball]

I haven't had a fight in months and now my canine teeth are 8 inches long.

 

[NoXion]

Good thing I listed more than one trait eh?

 

[ddraig]

Didn't realise it was a vegan essential that humans are not "meant" to eat meat, thought that was just a woo-vegan thing (I found some anti-woo vegans on tinternet, so I know they exist).

Did I say that? No
I meant the teeth argument/gotcha

 

[8ball]

Did I say that? No
I meant the teeth argument/gotcha

I meant whatever the “bingo card” is. I guess you might have been just saying it’s something that comes up all the time, bit I thought you were trying to state the opposite, or at least that it is not “natural” to be eating meat.

The hippo argument is bunk if it is saying that canines are a totally invalid trait to quote because hippos use their canines for fighting.

But on the subject of woo, I think it must be frustrating for a lot of vegans that there is so much of it when vegans have some arguments that are very solid on multiple fronts.

 

[ddraig]

 

[8ball]

Having a bingo card is much less effort than engaging with people.

 

[ddraig]

it just illustrates the boring and trite "arguments" brought up over and over

 

[mojo pixy]

B ? Earthworms it was☺

B for Brambles

 

[8ball]

it just illustrates the boring and trite "arguments" brought up over and over

It's a fair point. On the other hand, it means you're speaking to someone who hasn't thought much about the matter, which is a good opportunity to bring out the good arguments.

 

[Ralph Llama]

B for Brambles

Wicked I met a fair few people from the states who said that co-ops are really good there because
Edit
Is it the same in Canada ?
Edit
Error 303 .. my brain does not work today

 

[bellaozzydog]

I find any sort of prosthelytism directed at me is a combat indicator that the perpetrator

1. Doesn't know me at all
2. Is unable to read fairly straightforward negative body language
3. Shortly going to become upset at the direction of the conversation

Lecturing anyone on anything is a fairly unattractive human behaviour, hectoring someone or calling their lifestyle out is just rude

 

[editor]

Like:

London Pub Goes 100% Vegan and Says Goodbye to The Meat Grinder

 

[8ball]

Like:

London Pub Goes 100% Vegan and Says Goodbye to The Meat Grinder

Islington.

Let's see one in Barking.

 

[editor]

Islington.

Let's see one in Barking.

What does that mean? Vegan restaurants operate all over in the country and not just in namby-pampy posh boroughs (if that is what you're suggesting).

 

[8ball]

What does that mean? Vegan restaurants operate all over in the country and not just in namby-pampy posh boroughs (if that is what you're suggesting).

Great. Let's see a *pub* in Barking go 100% vegan, then.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Having a bingo card is much less effort than engaging with people.

I don't have a problem engaging with genuine folks with genuine curiosity asking intelligent questions.
Disingenuous pisstake trolls are not people, and attempting to engage with can be a bit of a waste of valuable oxygen. Ain't nobody got time for that.

It's a fair point. On the other hand, it means you're speaking to someone who hasn't thought much about the matter, which is a good opportunity to bring out the good arguments.

The frequently recycled tired old arguments have been done many times over in this thread and elsewhere on the interwebs. Anybody that is really interested and has a reasonable level of intelligence can easily do the necessary basic research. Can't be bothered with the same old lame old "canines tho" type arguments.

 

[editor]

Great. Let's see a *pub* in Barking go 100% vegan, then.

I'm still not getting your point. What is so special about Barking? I can't see why a decent enough pub serving fantastic vegan food would somehow be doomed to failure just because it's in Barking.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I'm still not getting your point. What is so special about Barking? I can't see why a decent enough pub serving fantastic vegan food would somehow be doomed to failure just because it's in Barking.

If your ever Glossop way you should go to Globe. Brew their own beer (sub £2.50 a pint in some cases) and cheap and simple food. You see variously old boys in there I suspect, not because of what they serve, but simply it's dam good value.


The Globe Glossop

 

[ddraig]

e2a to Ed's post
cos it's in the "real world" with "normal people" seeeeee, gotcha!

 

[8ball]

I'm still not getting your point. What is so special about Barking? I can't see why a decent enough pub serving fantastic vegan food would somehow be doomed to failure just because it's in Barking.

Cool, let’s see one, then.

 

[editor]

Cool, let’s see one, then.

You still haven't explained why Barking is so special and its particular relevance to a discussion about veganism.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

From the wasting bandwidth thread

 

[Spymaster]

it just illustrates the boring and trite "arguments" brought up over and over

Quite a few of those are perfectly valid, tbf.

 

[Ralph Llama]

Indeed. What about the poor cows eh? And the plants ? Didnt think of that did you? Editor- His point is about class.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

You still haven't explained why Barking is so special and its particular relevance to a discussion about veganism.

I suspect it's another yet another lazy regurgitation of the old "white middle class privilege" chestnut that some of the critics trot out when they're low on justifications.

Please don't forget that veganism hasn't always been a white, middle class thing | Metro News

‘I definitely think some of veganism has gone the way of yoga,’ Nurul Shamir, a North London-based vegan of 18 months tells Metro.co.uk.

‘I think a lot of the issues come from non-vegans sometimes, thinking that veganism is elitist and exclusionary when in fact, its roots are in the poorest communities from all over the world.’

‘The black vegan movement is one of the most diverse, decolonial, complex and creative movements.’

 

[8ball]

If your ever Glossop way you should go to Globe. Brew their own beer (sub £2.50 a pint in some cases) and cheap and simple food. You see variously old boys in there I suspect, not because of what they serve, but simply it's dam good value.
The Globe Glossop

That really is good value (assuming its any good obv).

 

[editor]

Oh look, another vegan pub has opened up.

Beer-battered ‘tofish’: welcome to London’s first all-vegan pub