8ball
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In "a prime spot on a hipster artery", no less.
Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?
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In "a prime spot on a hipster artery", no less.
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hiraethified
Ah, so you're going for the extra-tedious 'veganism is just for hipsters' line.
8ball
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Oh, please do better than this.
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hiraethified
You brought up the hipster comment. If I've got it wrong, please explain what you meant by it?
8ball
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hiraethified
Turns out there's quite a lot of vegan/veggie pubs in places like Oxford, Glasgow, Southend, Birmingham and elsewhere:
The UK's Top 10 Vegan-Friendly Pubs
The UK's Top 10 Vegan-Friendly Pubs
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hiraethified
To make your point, presumably. Which was...?I was just quoting the article.
8ball
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First one I looked at was a regular-looking pub with some decent vegan and veggie options.
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hiraethified
Why are you so fucking sneery? What is your problem exactly? And what's wrong with the first two pubs?First one I looked at was a regular-looking pub with some decent vegan and veggie options.
2/10
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8ball
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Were the first two in the list exclusively veggie? I just picked two at random. No reason to say there's anything wrong with them at all, and more vegan and veggie options on the menu can only be good. I do think, though, that this is likely to be a food trend that gets moved on from, like the barbecue thing that is now dying down, and I think we have passed 'peak street food'.
These trends tend to be led by the young and moneyed leading the middle-classes by the nose (which they are usually happy to pay through). You mentioned a pub in Islington, and one which the article itself described as in prime hipster territory, then a bunch of veggie pubs which weren't veggie at all.
There's not much here to allay my suspicions of this being the next thing that passes after a bit.
It's not a comment on vegetarianism or veganism as such.
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hiraethified
Are, so all the vegans are just faddy sorts who soon go back to lovely old meat because it's so much better?
For the sake of the planet I hope there's a LOT less meat eating going on and the more people who take up vegetarianism and veganism the better. And that's not even commenting in the hideous barbaric practices that bring the meat your table.
8ball
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Well, give it 3 or 4 years to play out and I suppose we'll see.
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hiraethified
Why are so dismissive of vegans? You do understand how patronising and condescending you sound when you suggest that the places won't last because it's all just a big fad that will soon go out of fashion.
8ball
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I'm just saying the patterns of production, consumption and media attention follow previous food trends which wax and wane.
Eating out as a veggie is way better than a decade or so ago, so I think some of it might stick - we're all becoming a little more conscious about meat consumption and the surrounding arguments, but so far the trend follows the pattern of others before it.
Maybe you're right, though, and I'll be able to get a really good bean burrito down my local greasy spoon in 3 years.
Like I said, we'll see.
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hiraethified
It seems one of the biggest obstacles to veganism become more mainstream and widely accepted is the sometimes fiercely negative opinions and dismissive attitudes of the mainstream which you're doing a pretty good job of representing here.
8ball
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I'm not fiercely negative at all. You can find plenty of discussion among vegans over why it appears mostly represented by the white and privileged.
Are you trying to line things up so you can say it's because of 'people like me' if it dies down in a few years?
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hiraethified
It''s not going to 'die down'. People have to eat less meat for the sake of their health and for the sake of the planet. Sorry if that all seems so tediously faddish to you.I'm not fiercely negative at all. You can find plenty of discussion among vegans over why it appears mostly represented by the white and privileged.
Are you trying to line things up so you can say it's because of 'people like me' if it dies down in a few years?
8ball
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Eating less meat =/= veganism.
However, plenty of food industry and media sources have veganism down for the big food trend of 2018 (and had it down as so since last year).
That said, people are still doing paleo and other types of diet that went through a boom, so I expect there will be a lot more vegans in 5 years than there are now, just that the numbers might not be growing at the current rate by then (there was a big increase between 2005 and 2015), and the new big thing will be something else.
I'll allow that your emotional attachment to the subject keeps you from recognising who's being consistently sneery here.
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hiraethified
Wow. It's not me declaring people with a diet you don't appear to approve of as faddish and likely to grow out of their dietary choices, neither have I been throwing around tosh about hipsters.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Yes it is a fad for a minority but for a lot of people it is a change in their life to stay, a realisation of the cruelty involved in the meat industry and the wide range (growing all the time) of vegan food available making it easier to transition
and the health benefits, seeing it in others
also the social media and recipe sites, vegan fairs all over the place
of course the press are going to write about a growing demand/ trend whatever
there has been a massive growth and it is still growing and not just with the youth/trendy/hipsters
and the health benefits, seeing it in others
also the social media and recipe sites, vegan fairs all over the place
of course the press are going to write about a growing demand/ trend whatever
there has been a massive growth and it is still growing and not just with the youth/trendy/hipsters
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
where is this sneering?? post number(s)?
mr steev
magic thought wizard
Things are certainly changing. 2 New 100% veggie/vegan takeaways have opened in wolves in the last year (with the exception of a few curry houses, wolverhampton's only veggie takeaways) and a sports bar & grill here have just introduced a massive meat free menu even going to the effort of using different crockery for vegan customers. Even greasy spoons have started to sell veggie sausages (which was unheard of here even just a few years ago)
The takeaways are in Blakenhall and the bar is in Parkfields... Both areas very non-middle class even by wolverhampton's standards.
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hiraethified
8ball
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It does seem like they're rushing things a bit.
PaoloSanchez
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Some reasonable points in that article. imo, regular punters should be the ones influencing the supermarkets mainly through their purchasing choices. The best way to counter things like the ridiculous "cauliflower steaks" is for people simply not to buy them, the supermarkets will soon get the message. I don't think this is anything that it particularly unique to the vegan market, I'm sure examples can be found of ridiculously priced and packaged non-vegan foods in supermarkets. Sure there is a bit of hype and excitement around especially with the Veganuary campaign, however it's up to the intelligent folk to separate the hype from the genuine substance that is there and vote with their wallets and purses.
RainbowTown
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I'm sorry, but if someone is thick enough to buy that piece of crap for £2.50 or whatever, then they deserved to be ripped off. Totally.
8ball
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I suspect some marketing types may have made the error of assuming people don't know how to cook or how much vegetables cost.
You can get away with this to some extent with exotic ingredients that some people may not be familiar with, but cauliflowers ffs!
PaoloSanchez
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tbf, there appears to be a fair number of folk who don't really know their way around a kitchen and are a bit nooby and clueless, so it wouldn't surprise me if those people might succumb to paying way over the odds for even basic non exotic ingredients even if it does appear to be a bit silly. As with all things important, I would recommend that people take the time to get the knowledge and wise up. If you're going to be lazy and not put in a least a bit of effort then you're more likely to be one of those that get conned out of their money paying £50 for 10 grams of goji berries.I suspect some marketing types may have made the error of assuming people don't know how to cook or how much vegetables cost.
You can get away with this to some extent with exotic ingredients that some people may not be familiar with, but cauliflowers ffs!
PaoloSanchez
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The dairy Empire Strikes Back with...Febudairy... 
Dairy Farmers Invent 'Febudairy' In Attempt To Promote Cow's Milk
Cow love
According to Nortons Dairy: "Febudairy is a chance for everyone to be grateful for our special relationship with cows."
Animal Behavior Expert, Dr. Toni Shephard, told PBN: "We agree that cows are amazing, particularly the strong emotional connection between mother cows and their calves.
"Dairy farmers routinely break this bond by separating newborn calves from their mothers so the cow’s breast milk can be bottled and sold - that’s not an act of warmth or love. In fact it is one of the cruelest things you can do to any mother and baby.
"Our relationship with cows is indeed special - we abuse them in more ways than any other farmed animal.
"Not only do we take their babies and their milk, but after we've worked them to the point of exhaustion we take their lives as well - reducing them to the contents of a cheap frozen pie. Not much to be grateful for if you’re a cow."
Dairy Farmers Invent 'Febudairy' In Attempt To Promote Cow's Milk
Cow love
According to Nortons Dairy: "Febudairy is a chance for everyone to be grateful for our special relationship with cows."
Animal Behavior Expert, Dr. Toni Shephard, told PBN: "We agree that cows are amazing, particularly the strong emotional connection between mother cows and their calves.
"Dairy farmers routinely break this bond by separating newborn calves from their mothers so the cow’s breast milk can be bottled and sold - that’s not an act of warmth or love. In fact it is one of the cruelest things you can do to any mother and baby.
"Our relationship with cows is indeed special - we abuse them in more ways than any other farmed animal.
"Not only do we take their babies and their milk, but after we've worked them to the point of exhaustion we take their lives as well - reducing them to the contents of a cheap frozen pie. Not much to be grateful for if you’re a cow."
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