"Did two hired assassins snatch weapons inspector David Kelly?"

[editor]

Petard.

Might have been a tabard, you know.

A long flowing one.
Made of rope.

 

[Blagsta]

Go on editor, expand your mind. Try just a bit harder and you never know what you might find out...

The ed after following fela's advice, earlier today.

 

[Jazzz]

This article features in the Mail today.

Travesty of the truth: Was the Hutton Inquiry into David Kelly's death just part of the cover-up?

By NORMAN BAKER MP

Norman Baker is one of Westminster's most respected MPs.

In a major new book, he reveals the results of his year-long investigation into the death of weapons inspector David Kelly — and why he believes the scientist was murdered after exposing Tony Blair's lies over Iraq.

Here, he claims the Hutton Inquiry into Kelly's death was just part of the cover-up...

Even before I published the results of my investigation into the death of David Kelly, I knew what the reaction of senior politicians and commentators would be.

"Not another conspiracy theory!" they always cry when confronted with anything that challenges the orthodox explanation of events.

"Such things don't happen in Britain."

Of course not. After all, it's not as though a Bulgarian dissident could be murdered at a London bus stop with a ricin-tipped umbrella, an Italian with close links to the Vatican be left hanging from Blackfriars Bridge, or a Russian dissident be poisoned with radioactive - polonium-210 at a sushi bar in Piccadilly, is it?

Those who seek to discredit my year-long inquiry into Dr Kelly's death, and my belief that he was murdered, will no doubt point to the findings of the Hutton Inquiry.

Costing £1.68million and hearing evidence from nearly 100 witnesses — from members of Dr Kelly's family to Tony Blair — this confirmed the official view that the scientist's death was suicide.

Yet, as we will see, the truth was hardly like to come out in this travesty of a process.

It was highly unconventional — not least in the way it was instigated.

At the time the body of the UK's leading weapons inspector was found in a wood on Harrowdown Hill in Oxfordshire on the morning of July 18, 2003, the Prime Minister was aboard an aeroplane en route from Washington to Tokyo.

Yet by the time he touched down in Japan, he had already announced there would be a inquiry into the circumstances of the death, led by Lord Hutton, formerly Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland.

This, no doubt, took the heat out of a very difficult situation for Mr Blair but, even so, the speed of the appointment startled many. Government wheels normally grind slowly.

some key point about the shambles of investigation


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[editor]

This article features in the Mail today.

So, about these "two hired assassins".
Could you list the evidence of their existence please?

 

[chilango]

Petard.

Oi! don't call the Ed that...

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

So, about these "two hired assassins".
Could you list the evidence of their existence please?

Norman Baker seen them, didn't he (in his fevered imagination)

I haven't read such a load of nonsense for a long long time, i must say. Sometimes such baseless speculation actually prevents the proper story from ever being established if you ask me.

 

[belboid]

Sometimes such baseless speculation actually prevents the proper story from ever being established if you ask me.

which is exactly why various agents of the state (British and Israeli for sure) often make a habit of doing just that. Dont they Jazzz?

 

[kyser_soze]

For some TRUFAX about Norman Baker - as a libdem he spends his time knifing his colleagues, watching people shit on him and murdering rent boys (not really legal types!) He has also been in recepit of a huge cheque from the Daily Mail...

Why 'hired' assassins? Do MI5/6 not employ in house assassins anymore? Who bid for the outsourcing on that one? The FSB?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

For some TRUFAX about Norman Baker

Why 'hired' assassins? Do MI5/6 not employ in house assassins anymore? Who bid for the outsourcing on that one? The FSB?

See, i think he's right to raise some questions about David Kelly - its just that reading through the article, it all appears to be total speculation and unsubstantiated conjecture and that's if i'm being kind.

 

[butchersapron]

See, i think he's right to raise some questions about David Kelly - its just that reading through the article, it all appears to be total speculation and unsubstantiated conjecture and that's if i'm being kind.

Connected to a £10 book he's just had published.

 

[kyser_soze]

I agree - it was well dodgy what went on there, but writing an article which wouldn't even rate a sub-par espionage novel isn't the right way to go about finding anything out...

Connected to a £10 book he's published.

Ah, it all becomes clear now...I thought there might be a book...hey, do you reckon he was originally trying to get it published as a fictional novel and his agent suggested re-jigging it to be a *serious* work about Kelly>

 

[Jazzz]

its just that reading through the article, it all appears to be total speculation and unsubstantiated conjecture and that's if i'm being kind.

That is a fair description of Hutton's 'suicide' verdict.

 

[butchersapron]

Jazzz, do you think two hired assassins snatched weapons inspector David Kelly?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

That is a fair description of Hutton's 'suicide' verdict.

Just because one verdict would appear to be flawed, that doesn't provide any kind of justification to make up your own based on "I think..." and "It's unlikely..."

 

[editor]

To Jazzz: So, about these "two hired assassins".
Could you list the evidence of their existence please?

And again....

 

[Jazzz]

Jazzz, do you think two hired assassins snatched weapons inspector David Kelly?

Well it's a theory. It may indeed be speculation.

However it is far from speculation to suggest that Kelly's death looks very much like murder framed as suicide, and that the investigation and inquest were terrible farces and such a fine public servant deserved far better.

Let's take an example from another thread: the news that Jean Charles de Menezes had traces of cocaine in his blood. It seems that far more testing has been done on De Menezes, for whom surely the cause of death is in no doubt whatsoever, than for Kelly whose body temperature was not even taken to just cite one example.

 

[butchersapron]

It 'may' be speculation?

I *know* it's 'a theory'. I'm asking you if you believe that 'theory'. That two hired assassins snatched weapons inspector David Kelly.

'a fine public servant'? Someone who helped prepare the case for war in Iraq and on a fraudulent basis?

 

[Citizen66]

Really? Could you give some examples of shit turning into perfume please because I've never heard of such a thing?

The Beckham por monsiuer collection.

 

[editor]

Well it's a theory. It may indeed be speculation.

Without a shred of evidence it's nothing but speculation.

 

[detective-boy]

Is there any real evidence involved, or are we still working on theories?

No. And yes. Lots of them! Buy the book!

 

[detective-boy]

...than for Kelly whose body temperature was not even taken to just cite one example.

Body temperature is not routinely taken in cases of homicide. It may be if a pathologist is called to the scene, but they are not always. The reason for this is the whole "Ah-ha. The temperature is 16C ... tap, tap, tappity, tap ... therefore he was killed between 12.06pm and 12.43pm ..." is absolute bollocks, there being way too many variables to make it an exact science.

(To quote a Home Office pathologist I know: "Can you give mne any idea of a time of death?" "When was he last seen?" "Er, 5pm" "And when was the body found?" "About 11.30pm" ... "In that case he died sometime between 5pm and 11.30pm..." )

 

[SpookyFrank]

'a fine public servant'? Someone who helped prepare the case for war in Iraq and on a fraudulent basis?

Many of those involved in preparing that fraudulent case are, no doubt, still in their jobs, earning excellent salaries and, in all probability, peddling exactly the same kind of bullshit. None of these people had the guts to speak out about what they were involved in; and they are still thought of as 'fine public servants' I imagine. The public wants what the public gets it would seem.

 

[danny la rouge]

No.

Correct.

 

[editor]

None of these people had the guts to speak out about what they were involved in; and they are still thought of as 'fine public servants' I imagine. .

This is all your personal, evidence-unsupported, wild speculation, yes?

 

[butchersapron]

Correct.

State employee!!!

 

[danny la rouge]

I've been following the Mail coverage of Norman Baker's ideas. Kelly's family seem convinced it's nonsense. Baker isn't "highly respected" or even credible. It's entertaining, but there's nothing in it.

 

[SpookyFrank]

This is all your personal, evidence-unsupported, wild speculation, yes?

Yep

I did seem to miss the vast swathes of sackings amongst intelligence bigwigs in the wake of the dossier fiasco, however...

...oh, I forgot, it was all the BBC's fault

 

[Wilf]

I've been following the Mail coverage of Norman Baker's ideas. Kelly's family seem convinced it's nonsense. Baker isn't "highly respected" or even credible. It's entertaining, but there's nothing in it.

True. I watched the whole thing from the Tapas Bar.

 

[fela fan]

'a fine public servant'? Someone who helped prepare the case for war in Iraq and on a fraudulent basis?

I hope you're not basing this on that one observer article you linked to about the non-report that kelly wrote that never got published. Quite pro the war weren't they.

You're certainly presenting this as a fact. Is it?

 

[butchersapron]

You really genuinely do not know anything about this case at all do you?