Decriminalisation of the sex industry - Corbyn says yes, what thinks urban?

[Pickman's model]

so you're bluffing then lol

I bet the only experience you've got is of protest marches

i don't think he's even got experience of that

 

[protesticals]

No doubt you will, and in doing so you just reinforce your arrogance and presumption...so go for it. What is a little strange is the level of ignorance you display when you confidently assert that because most women don't do something then it is possible that all women should behave that way. I'm sure it's comfortable living within your certainties, but it may not be very useful to people outside of your very particular bubble.

Louis Macneice

'Should'. At no point have I ever given a categorical imperative. I have never claimed that people should or should not do anything. Indeed I fully support people's decisions to do whatever they please . the 'Should' is entirely your invention. Not knowing you I cannot say whether you have misinterpreted me or are just acting dishonestly, I'll be able to judge better given your further responses

 

[protesticals]

hes a complete dickhead and I don't think people like this have actually been with women and if they have they certainly haven't done any listening

gonna go slag you all off to my counsellor now, it's gonna be money well spent

So given your inability to make a cogent argument you resort to petty insults and unfounded accusations.
Have you worked in the sex industry? Direct question. If you answer my question Ill answer yours,

 

[Pickman's model]

'Should'. At no point have I ever given a categorical imperative. I have never claimed that people should or should not do anything. Indeed I fully support people's decisions to do whatever they please . the 'Should' is entirely your invention. Not knowing you I cannot say whether you have misinterpreted me or are just acting dishonestly, I'll be able to judge better given your further responses

i don't believe you know what a categorical imperative is.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So given your inability to make a cogent argument you resort to petty insults and unfounded accusations.
Have you worked in the sex industry? Direct question. If you answer my question Ill answer yours,

You've not read the thread, have you?

 

[protesticals]

i don't think he's even got experience of that

Of any protest marches?

You know this NOT to be true.

 

[Pickman's model]

So given your inability to make a cogent argument you resort to petty insults and unfounded accusations.

you fucking hypocrite.

 

[protesticals]

You've not read the thread, have you?

I take by that that you are insinuating that I have missed a vital part of it. Please inform me of what I have missed, thank you.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

'Should'. At no point have I ever given a categorical imperative. I have never claimed that people should or should not do anything. Indeed I fully support people's decisions to do whatever they please . the 'Should' is entirely your invention. Not knowing you I cannot say whether you have misinterpreted me or are just acting dishonestly, I'll be able to judge better given your further responses

Read your own posts. You deny the right of women to say that they have no choice but to sell sex, on the basis that other women in apparently similar circumstances don't make that choice. The categorical imperative screams out of your arrogant presumption to know the lives and choices of all women. My suggestion is cut back on the bombast and up the thoughtfulness and empathy.

Louis MacNeice

 

[protesticals]

you fucking hypocrite.

I'm not insulting you. Nor accusing you of anything.

 

[Pickman's model]

Of any protest marches?

You know this NOT to be true.

yeh i thought i knew who you were. but if you were who i thought you to be then you wouldn't be posting as you are: as i thought the person i believed you to be would be able to formulate and put an argument and understand other people's posts. but you're floundering so i doubt you to be the person i thought you were, who was a steward on a 1998 rainy march

 

[likesfish]

If your going to decriminlise it you need to regulate it fairly tightly to avoid abuse.
people generally dont like prostitutes as neighbours not so much the prostitutes but their customers much like drug dealers they are not so much the problem as their customers.

So you'd need lots of rules and somebody to enforce said rules or the rules are pointless.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not insulting you. Nor accusing you of anything.

no, you're saying to someone else 'do as i say, not as i do'.

 

[protesticals]

Read your own posts. You deny the right of women to say that they have no choice but to sell sex on the basis that other women in apparently similar circumstances don't make that choice. The categorical imperative screams out of your arrogant presumption to know the lives and choices of all women. My suggestion is cut back on the bombast and up the thoughtfulness and empathy.

Louis MacNeice

They have every right to say they had no choice and to act on that. I have never denied them that right. I also say Lord Gowrie had no right to drop his government job because he felt he had no choice. I wouldn't drop the job or arts minister for 70K a year.

You may suggest as you wish. Ill carry on as normal. I don't find you at all empathic or thoughtful. I see you as just another individual who likes to pack with others in personally attacking a poster who challenges your position.

 

[Athos]

Which you seem unable to explain.

The idea that sex workers have other choices does not follow from the fact that other poor women don't become sex workers.

 

[protesticals]

no, you're saying to someone else 'do as i say, not as i do'.

What am I telling other people to do that I don't do?

I mean you have actually told people something about me that you know to be untrue.

 

[protesticals]

The idea that sex workers have other choices does not follow from the fact that other poor women don't become sex workers.

It certainly does. If two people in the same circumstance take different actions then it implies a choice.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I take by that that you are insinuating that I have missed a vital part of it. Please inform me of what I have missed, thank you.

You could start with page 1.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

They have every right to say they had no choice and to act on that. I have never denied them that right. I also say Lord Gowrie had no right to drop his government job because he felt he had no choice. I wouldn't drop the job or arts minister for 70K a year.

You may suggest as you wish. Ill carry on as normal. I don't find you at all empathic or thoughtful. I see you as just another individual who likes to pack with others in personally attacking a poster who challenges your position.

What position of mine have you been challenging? It's not about me or you. It is about you denying the experience of women who feel forced into selling sex; you've done it, so why not face up to it?

Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

It certainly does. If two people in the same circumstance take different actions then it implies a choice.

There's the arrogance again. How can you judge that they are in the same circumstances...the exact same circumstances? If not the stop with the implied categorical imperatives and as I said up with the thoughtfulness and empathy.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Pickman's model]

I mean you have actually told people something about me that you know to be untrue.

would that were the case

 

[protesticals]

What position of mine have you been challenging? It's not about me or you. It is about you denying the experience of women who feel forced into selling sex; you've done it, so why not face up to it?

Louis MacNeice

I am not denying anything. I am sure that there are women who feel that their situation is such that selling sex appears to be the only option available to them. Many people in many positions feel that they have no options.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Does it really matter, for the purposes of this debate, whether women have a choice to be prostitutes or not.

Prostitution has always existed. It is the oldest profession after all. The question is not how or why women end up doing it. The question is how to best manage the situation for all involved.

 

[protesticals]

would that were the case

you made the claim that I have never been on a demonstration. Given that you know for certain that I have been on many. That is clearly true.

 

[protesticals]

Does it really matter, for the purposes of this debate, whether women have a choice to be prostitutes or not.

Prostitution has always existed. It is the oldest profession after all. The question is not how or why women end up doing it. The question is how to best manage the situation for all involved.

I entirely agree.

 

[protesticals]

You could start with page 1.

None the wiser.

Please stop playing games and quote the exact post that would inform me.

 

[protesticals]

There's the arrogance again. How can you judge that they are in the same circumstances...the exact same circumstances? If not the stop with the implied categorical imperatives and as I said up with the thoughtfulness and empathy.

Louis MacNeice

Let me be a little clearer. I will not be acting on your thinly disguised orders.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I am not denying anything. I am sure that there are women who feel that their situation is such that selling sex appears to be the only option available to them. Many people in many positions feel that they have no options.

Liar! What you are denying is the truth of their feelings What you are asserting is that you know better; some women have made different choices in similar circumstances therefore all women are capable of (and implicitly should) make those other choices.

it would seem that alongside empathy and thoughtfulness you also need to have a look at the 'courage of your convictions'...good luck with that.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Let me be a little clearer. I will not be acting on your thinly disguised orders.

You dullard; I'm not ordering you...how could I? But your refusal to reflect speaks volumes; have fun in your self satisfied bubble.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Athos]

It certainly does. If two people in the same circumstance take different actions then it implies a choice.

Based on a false assumption about them being in the same position; something which you can't possibly know.