Decriminalisation of the sex industry - Corbyn says yes, what thinks urban?

[Athos]

Then you can easily explain why.

Yes, easily. It's the most basic logical fallacy.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Well done. You have identified a typo. I should have said 'Phrase'. My bad, you win the internets.

Ok, so we are on ' they felt they had no viable alternative. to a situation that other women in their situation were coping with.

Well done protesticals! Obviously I missed it, but congratulations on winning the competition to be the one who decides what all women should be able to cope with. We can all sleep more easily and you must be very proud.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[pengaleng]

I havent caught up yet, gotta go out, am busy, but police dont crack down on illegal operations now, how will decriminalising it help?

the work does not need to change, what needs to change is that vulnerable people get support and under a tory govt it's not going to happen.

the main reason access to womens refuge etc is even there is because women have done it themselves because men didn't give a shit no one gives a shit about women in reality and you all don't get that one crucial element

 

[protesticals]

i keep looking at that and wondering what it is you're trying to say.

I'll explain. I assert that there is an alternative to working in the sex industry, that is 'not working', and that most women in the sort of reduced circumstances that induces them to work in the sex industry do not do so. Therefore that the 'felt' they had no choice is erroneous. They decided out of the options available to them that the comparatively easy money in prostitution gave them a better standard of living and I fully support their right to make that decision.

 

[Pickman's model]

I seem to be amusing you so I take it that you are easily amused if I am so boring. I'm not phased by petty insults so Il suggests you return to the actual issue at hand. Since you seem to be such a stickler for precision you might want to capitalise the 'i' in ' i do think you give boring'.

i hope you don't think you're making novel or interesting points.

 

[pengaleng]

not necessarily - look at established professions for example. Law firms, accountancy firms are run by lawyers and accountants. Those industries/professions have protected themselves. Sure they're not workers cooperatives but they're owned by (some of) the professionals who work within them - it is the lawyers, accountants that add the value/bring in the revenue and they get rewarded appropriately as a result - these firms can't be floated publicly and have some non-lawyer MBA types come in and start cutting pay etc.. it is a regulated profession in which people are able to chose self employment should they not be paid sufficiently.

So like law firms, accountancy firms why can't brothels be made legal with the stipulation that they can only be owned and managed by registered sex workers. Things like caps on the number of sex workers per establishment could also help prevent any mega brothels being set up.

you are a fantasist.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'll explain. I assert that there is an alternative to working in the sex industry, that is 'not working', and that most women in the sort of reduced circumstances that induces them to work in the sex industry do not do so. Therefore that the 'felt' they had no choice is erroneous. They decided out of the options available to them that the comparatively easy money in prostitution gave them a better standard of living and I fully support their right to make that decision.

i introduced the word 'felt' on which you're placing such reliance. not Athos. i used it in a 'paraphrase' of athos' post you quoted.

 

[protesticals]

Well done protesticals! Obviously I missed it, but congratulations on winning the competition to be the one who decides what all women should be able to cope with. We can all sleep more easily and you must be very proud.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Given that most women seem to have decided that they needn't go into the sex industry then Ill respect their decision as well. Lord Gowrie dropped his 70K job as an arts minister because it wasn;t paying enough for him to live on. He can make that decision too.

I am not criticising the decision of women who decide to work or not work in the sex industry.

This raised another issue. If these women do believe, for whatever reason, that they need to work in the sex industry to obtain the resources that they feel they need , for whatever reason, then removing the industry in no way relieves that need.

If there is a drowning man and I provide a lifeboat but insist that whilst on the boat he rows it then removing that boat on the basis of coercion is not in any way liberating for him.

 

[pengaleng]

and wtf did I just see about 'sex workers rights and their customers rights'

you seriously want to give men the right to complain about sexual service and be able to get their money back?? fuck me, some of you need to go and deal with some men who are wasting your time or charging you back, I don't wanna live in a world where I know I've performed well yet my employer is handing back the money I should be getting, cus how will the work be monitored, you people are waste as fuck lol

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I'll explain. I assert that there is an alternative to working in the sex industry, that is 'not working', and that most women in the sort of reduced circumstances that induces them to work in the sex industry do not do so. Therefore that the 'felt' they had no choice is erroneous. They decided out of the options available to them that the comparatively easy money in prostitution gave them a better standard of living and I fully support their right to make that decision.

Sorry, previously I was being flippant because I thought you must be having a laugh with your arrogant presumption that you know best for all women every where. However it seems you're serious! So instead of congratulations it's 'please stop typing such ill informed, empathy lacking, dross.'

Louis MacNeice

 

[protesticals]

Yes, easily. It's the most basic logical fallacy.

Which you seem unable to explain.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'll explain. I assert that there is an alternative to working in the sex industry, that is 'not working', and that most women in the sort of reduced circumstances that induces them to work in the sex industry do not do so. Therefore that the 'felt' they had no choice is erroneous. They decided out of the options available to them that the comparatively easy money in prostitution gave them a better standard of living and I fully support their right to make that decision.

you can't understand even the simplest sentence so it's no great wonder you're waving a great big fallacy about.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Is it likely that if there were nice, clean, well run legalised brothels more men would want to visit them? Thus giving rise to increased demand for prostitutes. Also more women might be willing to prostiture themselves if they didnt have to stand on the street corner wearing very little.

So an unintended consequence of legalisation could be a growth in the industry. Not that I'm aginst it for that reason, its just a factor to consider.

 

[Pickman's model]

protesticals

i said:

it doesn't follow. just because the vast majority of women in straitened circumstances don't turn to prostitution doesn't mean that the vast majority of prostitutes haven't turned to sex work because they felt they had no viable alternative.

at which point in the second sentence do you stop understanding the point being made?

 

[protesticals]

Sorry, previously I was being flippant because I thought you must be having a laugh with your arrogant presumption that you know best for all women every where. However it seems you're serious! So instead of congratulations it's 'please stop typing such ill informed, empathy lacking, dross.'

Louis MacNeice

I'll post as I wish. I am not bothered by i) Insults or ii) orders. I 'play the ball, not the man'. You are free to do otherwise.

 

[killer b]

and wtf did I just see about 'sex workers rights and their customers rights'

you seriously want to give men the right to complain about sexual service and be able to get their money back?? fuck me, some of you need to go and deal with some men who are wasting your time or charging you back, I don't wanna live in a world where I know I've performed well yet my employer is handing back the money I should be getting, cus how will the work be monitored, you people are waste as fuck lol

Sweaty gross perverts deserve consumer rights too!

 

[Pickman's model]

I'll post as I wish. I am not bothered by i) Insults or ii) orders. I 'play the ball, not the man'. You are free to do otherwise.

while i would not want you to stop posting as you wish, i do wish you would read and understand the posts to which you respond: which you clearly don't atm.

 

[protesticals]

protesticals

i said:at which point in the second sentence do you stop understanding the point being made?

Do you want to

1) Debate the issue

or

2) Just involve yourself in an insult competition.

If the Latter then I concede your challenge and Ill just ignore your further comments. if the former then i suggest you restrict yourself to the former.

 

[pengaleng]

Sweaty gross perverts deserve consumer rights too!

I know theres a right sausagefest on here sticking up for their entitlement to womens bodies, fucking sweats



fuck off eh lads, womens safety is far more important than yer insult throwing, be clever if you wanna do that, put it in a rhyme isnt it

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you want to

1) Debate the issue

or

2) Just involve yourself in an insult competition.

If the Latter then I concede your challenge and Ill just ignore your further comments. if the former then i suggest you restrict yourself to the former.

i want to debate the issue but i find it very hard to debate the issue with someone who cannot comprehend what other people say and therefore is not engaging with the points being made.

 

[protesticals]

Sweaty gross perverts deserve consumer rights too!

Yes they do. Everyone deserves rights. We give rights, rightfully, to people in Jail for the very worst crimes. We should also give rights to persons you find repulsive.

 

[pengaleng]

Yes they do. Everyone deserves rights. We give rights, rightfully, to people in Jail for the very worst crimes. We should also give rights to persons you find repulsive.

what sex work have you done? you seem to know a great deal

 

[protesticals]

i want to debate the issue but i find it very hard to debate the issue with someone who cannot comprehend what other people say and therefore is not engaging with the points being made.

No, you are playing to the audience making pedantic references to my typos and not engaging at all with the issue of objective and subjective notions of need.

 

[pengaleng]

you could tell us about your experience????

 

[protesticals]

what sex work have you done? you seem to know a great deal

You show me yours and Ill show me mine.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, you are playing to the audience making pedantic references to my typos and not engaging at all with the issue of objective and subjective notions of need.

i am not making reference here to your typos but your apparent inability to understand that just because the majority of women in straitened circumstances don't turn to prostitution it doesn't follow that most of those who have turned to it felt they had any alternative.

tbh it's the second time (i think, maybe the third) we've gone through this and if you can't understand the point maybe you're too stupid to debate with. on second thoughts there is no 'maybe' about it, seeing your bollocks about 'the issue of objective and subjective notions of need'.

 

[pengaleng]

so you're bluffing then lol

I bet the only experience you've got is of protest marches

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I'll post as I wish. I am not bothered by i) Insults or ii) orders. I 'play the ball, not the man'. You are free to do otherwise.

No doubt you will, and in doing so you just reinforce your arrogance and presumption...so go for it. What is a little strange is the level of ignorance you display when you confidently assert that because most women don't do something then it is possible that all women should behave that way. I'm sure it's comfortable living within your certainties, but it may not be very useful to people outside of your very particular bubble.

Louis Macneice

 

[pengaleng]

No doubt you will, and in doing so you just reinforce your arrogance and presumption...so go for it. What is a little strange is the level of ignorance you display when you confidently assert that because most women don't do something then it is possible that all women should behave that way. I'm sure it's comfortable living within your certainties, but it may not be very useful to people outside of your very particular bubble.

Louis Macneice

hes a complete dickhead and I don't think people like this have actually been with women and if they have they certainly haven't done any listening

gonna go slag you all off to my counsellor now, it's gonna be money well spent

 

[protesticals]

so you're bluffing then lol

I bet the only experience you've got is of protest marches

i) What do you mean 'I am bluffing' If I was bluffing I would have made a claim that I was speaking from experience. I have made no such claim. It is you who have made the claim. not I. If you tell me your involvement in the industry then i will tell you mine.