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What is the first serious Labour scandal gonna be?

What is the first serious scandal Keith will preside over


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Lol 20k

Bless.
Just seeing the front-bench apologists lining up to tell us that "any parent would do the same..."

What an utter shower of shite the LP are.
 
£20K????? Where the fuck did he send him? Eton would have been the same price for one term (which is all this could have been) and this is with their price rise - and includes all tuition, yacht races, exposure to influential contacts for the future. Not just 'boarding'.

Was it a room at the Ritz?
 
£20K????? Where the fuck did he send him? Eton would have been the same price for one term (which is all this could have been) and this is with their price rise - and includes all tuition, yacht races, exposure to influential contacts for the future. Not just 'boarding'.

Was it a room at the Ritz?
Apparently it was an £18million penthouse in Covent Garden
 
But there's money for social care, mental health, whatever else.

This country is absolutely awash with stupid sums of money people are pissing away on nothing just because they can. And, very often, because they'd rather squander it than pay some of it in tax. They spit in the faces of ordinary people, all day every day, and instead of a half brick upside the head for reward they get a fucking OBE.
 
It's not a 'donation' if it's just being spent on personal stuff is it? It's just a bribe.

Donation implies some kind of cause being supported surely, a cause beyond Keith Jr dragging himself up from a C in computer science to a slightly higher, vastly more expensive C in computer science.

And then you've got that Streeting vermin calling it 'noble'. Extraordinary that such a rubbery-looking man could have so much brass in his neck.
 

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The Blair lot were much the same, but at least they had a comms team trying to set the agenda and rebuttals in the media and all that. This lot have fuck all in that department :thumbs:
I was reading something earlier - exactly that - the Blair government comms/PR machine would have been in action briefing and carefully managing any message/fallout to the media/press, but there's nothing with this bunch at all!
 
I was reading something earlier - exactly that - the Blair government comms/PR machine would have been in action briefing and carefully managing the message to media/press, but there's nothing with this bunch at all!
Perhaps we have reached the time where they think they can operate with impunity; having seen the vermin get away with all kinds of awful corrupt shit perhaps they think it will work for them and it is not worth the effort. Of course they could also just be plain incompetent wrt to this and there is also the added factor of a much more hostile press.
 
I am puzzled. Starmer's companion and their children were accommodated in a luxury flat, but “No money exchanged hands”. {“exchanged hands”? Shurely some mishtake? Is the man losing his sausages?}

However, Starmer received £20,000-worth of accommodation during the election campaign from Waheed Alli. What accommodation was this? Why did Starmer need it? Or has this article in The Guardian got it wrong?
Starmer defends borrowing £18m flat as place for son to study during election
 
It has been some time since I did my GCSEs, but I am fairly sure that if I had done them in an £18 million penthouse flat in the middle of Covent Garden that I would have done less well than I did.
 
Hasn't taken them long to get cracking, has it?

The Blair lot were much the same, but at least they had a comms team trying to set the agenda and rebuttals in the media and all that. This lot have fuck all in that department :thumbs:
I dont know if I can make big links and comparisons to these two eras at this stage.

Because what I suspect is that politicians think the sort of private donations stories that have broken so far are not traditionally considered to in the same league as stories where donations can be linked to specific policy decisions, reversals and blatantly dodgy double standards and exceptions.

Take the most famous first example from the Blair government. There was a clear and obvious connection between the donation and the exemption from the tobacco advertising ban for formula 1. There was, apparently, a real fear that it could cost Blair his career. They dragged out and managed the situation but there were limits as to how much damage limitation they could really achieve via spin. Here, as a brief refresher is a 2000 BBC article about that including something of a timeline BBC News | UK POLITICS | How the Ecclestone affair unfolded I also note that some written evidence of what everyone assumed to be the case at the time, did not properly emerge until after Balir was already gone from the top job, with this article about it being from 2008. Blair intervened over F1 tobacco ban exemption, documents showBlair interevened over F1 tobacco ban exemption, documents show

Its hard for me to predict what the current spate of stories will do on their own. They are arriving during a period of relative honeymoon immunity, so perhaps what they will do is simply to set the scene for later, a scene that will still waiting for a corruption scandal one or two grades higher to emerge before things really explode into crisis for individuals, party and government.

Of course the other thing this level of stories can do is to offer something that can deliberately be constrasted with the various new forms of austerity that the governments agenda clearly has in store. So far the winter fuel payments have been the main thing for the press to latch onto in this respect, but no doubt there will be other examples to come. I think its still too early to tell whether the 'donations in exchange for particular jobs' form of cronyism will rise far up the corruption leaderboard, I still suspect the top prize will be finding an example of a donation clearly linked to a big policy decision.

As for our impression of how well all this is managed by party PR(opaganda), I suspect there is still a hangover from the Blair spin doctor years. The effective spin machine of those years eventually became a story in itself, something to attack them with. So it would not surprise me if Labour actually dont want to come across as being quite such a highly skilled and smooth operators in that domain these days. Plus a lot of how this is written about comes down to how the press themselves choose to spin the stories, and they have moved on from focussing on spin doctors, and they dont have am Alastair Campbell-type character to weave things around at the moment.
 
I was reading something earlier - exactly that - the Blair government comms/PR machine would have been in action briefing and carefully managing any message/fallout to the media/press, but there's nothing with this bunch at all!
Yeah, I've said before Starmer is actually really shit at politics. Loads of things can happen of course but if I gambled I'd be tempted to have a flutter on him not lasting five years.
As soon as he's a liability the right of the party will knife him and he's not got any base to support him.
 
Yeah, I've said before Starmer is actually really shit at politics. Loads of things can happen of course but if I gambled I'd be tempted to have a flutter on him not lasting five years.
As soon as he's a liability the right of the party will knife him and he's not got any base to support him.

Changes he made to the party's rules to prevent a leftist candidate from ever being put to the party membership again will also make it easier for his party to get rid of him when his usefulness has passed.

For a given value of 'usefulness' anyway. He basically has one job at this point, bullet catcher for the new austerity agenda. Then someone else, likely Streeting, can come in and oversee a whole new private sector feeding frenzy.
 
Given what I just said last night, I really need to acknowledge a specific post later within another thread whioch draws attention to a particular srticle, an article which links gifts to policy changes:


The post in question points to this article: Reporters Are Asking the Wrong Questions About Labour’s Freebie Fiasco | Novara Media

I would like some of this mud to stick. If it does not, then it may be a sign that changing policy in those circumstances is not treated as the same kind of corruption if it happens before you get into power as it would if it happened when in power.

No wonder Im not a big believer that the mainstream mass media are well equipped to hold those in power to account, that their own standards are not corrupt.
 
Given what I just said last night, I really need to acknowledge a specific post later within another thread whioch draws attention to a particular srticle, an article which links gifts to policy changes:


The post in question points to this article: Reporters Are Asking the Wrong Questions About Labour’s Freebie Fiasco | Novara Media

I would like some of this mud to stick. If it does not, then it may be a sign that changing policy in those circumstances is not treated as the same kind of corruption if it happens before you get into power as it would if it happened when in power.

No wonder Im not a big believer that the mainstream mass media are well equipped to hold those in power to account, that their own standards are not corrupt.
I find it hard to believe that politicians are allowed to accept these bribes, but each and every government has had the opportunity to put an end to them and has chosen not to, which can only lead to one conclusion, that each and every one of them is corrupt.
Comparing Labour and the Tories... Labour aren't better. They're not even the better of two evils, they're just the ever so slightly less evil of two evils. Self-serving cunts, the lot of them.
 
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Comparing Labour and the Tories... Labour aren't better. They're not even the better of two evils, they're just the ever so slightly less evil of two evils. Self-serving cunts, the lot of them.

In theory, if Labour were actually very left leaning, socialist etc, then we might expect those with the money and interest in doing the corrupting would feel inclined to throw even more money, favours etc their way, to counter new policies which threaten their interests. Even with the version of Labour we have, there could still be a bit of truth in that, just to a much lesser degree.

All the same, some politicians do have genuine political convictions that may be partially immune to the corrupting effect of power, but there are always limits to political purity and its much less of an issue if your political convictions have a load of wanky neoliberal sell-out stuff baked into them in the first place.

Another angle involves the class background of politicians varying between the parties, and the impact this has on the impression of fresh corruption. For example, theres already the belief that the upper classes and the rich look after their own, whether in power or not, and so people may be less inclined to bat an eyelid if lord tory pm of wankersville gets to stay in a castle owned by one of his longterm mates who he went to posh school with. Contrast that with what happens in terms of the impression of corruption if a relative commoner on the political rise suddenly gets some new rich friends to holiday with, or when Prescott ends up with two Jags, etc etc.
 
For example, theres already the belief that the upper classes and the rich look after their own, whether in power or not, and so people may be less inclined to bat an eyelid if lord tory pm of wankersville gets to stay in a castle owned by one of his longterm mates who he went to posh school with. Contrast that with what happens in terms of the impression given if a commoner gets some new rich friends when on the political rise, or when Prescott ends up with two Jags.

There is an element of that, although there's also the angle that labour (in opposition) tend to talk from the moral high ground, so when they get in to office and do the same thing, there's a greater element of hypocrisy about it all. At least tories are mostly honest about being tories.
 
There is an element of that, although there's also the angle that labour (in opposition) tend to talk from the moral high ground, so when they get in to office and do the same thing, there's a greater element of hypocrisy about it all. At least tories are mostly honest about being tories.

Yeah, another example I'll never forget was Blair New Labours 'ethical foreign policy' claims (via Robin Cook etc) when they got into power, and how that turned out. Our media are specially tuned to focussing on that form of hypocrisy, albeit while making a mockery of the principals involved by giving themselves license to indulge in gross hypocrisy and double-standards of their own along the way.
 
With that sort of thing in mind, it was no surprise that in the world of mild satire, Alan B'stard eventually defected to Blairs New Labour.

Although I admit to being slightly surprised that when I went to look this up, they didnt get round to it till 2006, could have done it so much sooner. Blairs bunch were obviously given the benefit of the doubt for far too long from some quarters, despite no shortage of sleaze from very early on in their regime.

 
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