crossthebreeze
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i agree - not at all!
Decriminalisation of the sex industry - Corbyn says yes, what thinks urban?
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Athos
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Rented from whom? In reality, men would buy properties to run as brothels, keeping women there, and living off them. In reality, you'd be decriminalising pimping. Progress?
protesticals
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Whilst we live in a developed capitalist economy I see no good reason why sex workers should not enjoy the same rights as other workers and their customers not enjoy the same rights as other customers. I do not see anything implicitly wrong with sex work nor see it as the role of government to encourage or limit its spread. As long as people are prepared to sell sexual services I see no reason to stop them.
We live in a Capitalist society so objecting to the legalisation of brothels because it enables a brothel owner to exploit its workers is absurd. By All means work for a different society where everyone works under a different system but the selectivity is unwarranted discrimination.
Workers from anywhere else in the EU have will have the same rights as anyone else to work in the system. Undocumented workers face discrimination in all work in all countries. If you believe in the free movement of workers then by all means campaign for that. However, it is not the business of government to legislate so as to make it easier for undocumented workers to more easily work in the United Kingdom.
I have not seen a single good argument as to why we should not bring sex work to the same standards as other work. Most arguments derive from hatred of men or a belief that sex work is inherently wrong.
We live in a Capitalist society so objecting to the legalisation of brothels because it enables a brothel owner to exploit its workers is absurd. By All means work for a different society where everyone works under a different system but the selectivity is unwarranted discrimination.
Workers from anywhere else in the EU have will have the same rights as anyone else to work in the system. Undocumented workers face discrimination in all work in all countries. If you believe in the free movement of workers then by all means campaign for that. However, it is not the business of government to legislate so as to make it easier for undocumented workers to more easily work in the United Kingdom.
I have not seen a single good argument as to why we should not bring sex work to the same standards as other work. Most arguments derive from hatred of men or a belief that sex work is inherently wrong.
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protesticals
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Yes, progress. Taking workers from the dangerous position of working on the street or illegal premises into licenced supervised premises is progress.
I'll call out your weasel words of 'keeping women there'. They would employ women there as in any place of work.Existing illegal brothels where women are illegally 'kept' would be vastly easier to identify.
Some would have a direct employment model. Other would use a rent model such as where Barbers rent their chair in a barbers shop. It would be the job of trade unions to campaign for employment rights and health and safety issues at work.
protesticals
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I see no reason whatsoever why this would happen. I'm a vegan currently on benefits myself. If I were offered a job in a slaughterhouse I am very confident I could refuse to work there and NOT be sanctioned for doing so giving a moral objection to working there. Can you show me a documented (rather than 'my friend') example of where people in the UK have been forced to take jobs that they have a moral objection to doing so (since national service)? The issue is easily remedied by a clause in a bill to regularise such work specifically prohibiting benefits to be cut for this reason.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i wouldn't be so confident being as they seem happy to sanction people for no reason anyway.
protesticals
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Given that the vast majority of women in reduced circumstances in the UK do NOT work in prostitution then your claim is without merit.
protesticals
Active Member
Then they will just sanction people anyway and won't need this excuse.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
probably best not to give them an excuse to sanction you
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
non sequitur i think you'll find
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Tbf thats benefit agency being the benefit agency rather than any policy
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They as a policy dont advertise sex work although it slips through in various versions and generally gets removed when people notice complain.
It would depend on the inspection regime holland apprantly has a problem with trafficed women in legal brothels if you are going to do it you have to do it properly with regular unannounced inspections inculding taxes etc etc etc.
So no you Have to declare earning pay tax etc have to be a legal immigrant medically fit etc etc etc.
Which is going to upset a lot of prostitutes but then you cant really have a legal status but avoid stuff like taxes etc.
.They as a policy dont advertise sex work although it slips through in various versions and generally gets removed when people notice complain.
It would depend on the inspection regime holland apprantly has a problem with trafficed women in legal brothels if you are going to do it you have to do it properly with regular unannounced inspections inculding taxes etc etc etc.
So no you Have to declare earning pay tax etc have to be a legal immigrant medically fit etc etc etc.
Which is going to upset a lot of prostitutes but then you cant really have a legal status but avoid stuff like taxes etc.
protesticals
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By all means explain
protesticals
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Tbf thats benefit agency being the benefit agency rather than any policy
They as a policy dont advertise sex work although it slips through in various versions and generally gets removed when people notice complain.
It would depend on the inspection regime holland apprantly has a problem with trafficed women in legal brothels if you are going to do it you have to do it properly with regular unannounced inspections inculding taxes etc etc etc.
So no you Have to declare earning pay tax etc have to be a legal immigrant medically fit etc etc etc.
Which is going to upset a lot of prostitutes but then you cant really have a legal status but avoid stuff like taxes etc.
Yes workers have to pay taxes. We live in a Mixed market economy with taxes that are needed to pay for government services. Sex workers should pay tax.
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Starry Wisdom
it doesn't follow. just because the vast majority of women in straitened circumstances don't turn to prostitution doesn't mean that the vast majority of prostitutes haven't turned to sex work because they felt they had no viable alternative.
Athos
Well-Known Member
This is patently nonense.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
1) not just workers should pay tax; 2) all economies are mixed economies so saying 'we live in a mixed market economy' is only stating the bleeding obvious
protesticals
Active Member
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
where i work our readers are frequently described as users which is i think even worse than customers.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no we don't, most people are able to struggle on to the end of the sentence. oh: and 'they felt' is two words, not one.
protesticals
Active Member
yes, not just workers should pay tax. you are stating the bleeding obvious
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes, you strike me as the sort of person who needs it stated now and again.
protesticals
Active Member
Well done. You have identified a typo. I should have said 'Phrase'. My bad, you win the internets.
Ok, so we are on ' they felt they had no viable alternative. to a situation that other women in their situation were coping with.
protesticals
Active Member
Pray explain.
protesticals
Active Member
Then you can easily explain why.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
don't know about winning the internets but i do think you give boring the internet a good go.
bimble
floofy
i keep looking at that and wondering what it is you're trying to say.
protesticals
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I seem to be amusing you so I take it that you are easily amused if I am so boring. I'm not phased by petty insults so Il suggests you return to the actual issue at hand. Since you seem to be such a stickler for precision you might want to capitalise the 'i' in ' i do think you give boring'.
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