Conspiraloon 9/11- 7/7 Truther outed as Holocaust denier

[Badger Kitten]

yea, but if you'd been following this thread it would appear that an increasing milieu within the 9/11 truth groupings are in fact, NOT 'rejecting it' but, quite to the contrary seem to be digesting it and espousing it along with their other crack-pot concepts.

to that extent i'd say it is more insidious and dangerous than david irving et al as they are seen quite clearly for the nazi-apologists they are, where-as there is a dangerous cross-pollenisation between what would seen to be holocaust deniers and those who would probably regard themselves as libertarian or at least radical who have unfortunately fallen for this 'truther' bullshit.

Yep.

And this was my point. Not 'look at this one loon and his loony hate views' but 'look at how he is part of the 9/11 and 7/7 conspiracy theorist set'.

Look how he contributes to their boards, attends their meetings, campaigns alongside them. Look at how his posts are tolerated.

Look at how comfortable he feels amongst them. Look at how comfortable he is with their theories. He sees them as being on the same side as him.

Look at how uncomfortable they are when his views are flagged up. Look at how defensive they get.

Look.

Think.

See.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

BA - I think Fela just used it as a phrase to undermine the attacks on NK's holocaust denials (why he should want to do so isn't clear, but defence of a fellow 9/11 sceptic might be sufficient rationale), without ever thinking what it would actually mean to attack the ideas and not the person; it's a fairly common phrase after all. Given that it is pretty content free (other than a sort of general appeal not to be so nasty) I don't expect Fela is able, let alone willing, to answer your question.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[cesare]

Hey, you, fuck off. Reducing my whole argument to being a 'conspiraloon'. Look at you, just look at your whole point of reasoning. I come along, you don't like my opinion, so you pass me off as a 'conspiraloon'... job done.

You have reacted to me in exactly the same way as you are reacting to this man you don't like. And so, a label. You are a danger to the mass readership of the media in britain. You are prejudiced.

You're totally about emotional reactions and it's pretty boring/ugly really.

But there are a number of people that have reacted to you in the same way fela.

Why single out BK?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

You ARE a conspiraloon fela, you earned your label with the umpteen thousand posts you've wasted on 911 threads.

 

[Badger Kitten]

You are a danger to the mass readership of the media in britain.

Priceless!

 

[fela fan]

yea, but if you'd been following this thread it would appear that an increasing milieu within the 9/11 truth groupings are in fact, NOT 'rejecting it' but, quite to the contrary seem to be digesting it and espousing it along with their other crack-pot concepts.

At first i followed the thread. Then when i saw the invited witchhunt over jazz i began to skim it.

After all, it's fucking long by now!

I really don't give a fuck about this 'truth' stuff.

I"ve made clear i'm talking about ideas, not the people who hold them.

 

[fela fan]

Yep.

And this was my point. Not 'look at this one loon and his loony hate views' but 'look at how he is part of the 9/11 and 7/7 conspiracy theorist set'.

Look how he contributes to their boards, attends their meetings, campaigns alongside them. Look at how his posts are tolerated.

Look at how comfortable he feels amongst them. Look at how comfortable he is with their theories. He sees them as being on the same side as him.

Look at how uncomfortable they are when his views are flagged up. Look at how defensive they get.

Look.

Think.

See.

Who is 'he'?

 

[butchersapron]

At first i followed the thread. Then when i saw the invited witchhunt over jazz i began to skim it.

After all, it's fucking long by now!

I really don't give a fuck about this 'truth' stuff.

I"ve made clear i'm talking about ideas, not the people who hold them.

Where? How? What does that mean? How have you been clear?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

At first i followed the thread. Then when i saw the invited witchhunt over jazz i began to skim it.

After all, it's fucking long by now!

I really don't give a fuck about this 'truth' stuff.

I"ve made clear i'm talking about ideas, not the people who hold them.

So why not answer BA's question then; it does seem to be very important to you.

Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

BA - I think Fela just used it as a phrase to undermine the attacks on NK's holocaust denials (why he should want to do so isn't clear, but defence of a fellow 9/11 sceptic might be sufficient rationale), without ever thinking what it would actually mean to attack the ideas and not the person; it's a fairly common phrase after all. Given that it is pretty content free (other than a sort of general appeal not to be so nasty) I don't expect Fela is able, let alone willing, to answer your question.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Whilst we know that Louis...

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Who is 'he'?

NK...he is the one denying the holocaust; I would have thought that was clear?

Louis MacNeice

 

[fela fan]

BA - I think Fela just used it as a phrase to undermine the attacks on NK's holocaust denials (why he should want to do so isn't clear, but defence of a fellow 9/11 sceptic might be sufficient rationale), without ever thinking what it would actually mean to attack the ideas and not the person; it's a fairly common phrase after all. Given that it is pretty content free (other than a sort of general appeal not to be so nasty) I don't expect Fela is able, let alone willing, to answer your question.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Louis, thank you, but i'm not here to defend any 911 sceptic.

I'm here to debate ideas, not people.

 

[cesare]

Louis, thank you, but i'm not here to defend any 911 sceptic.

I'm here to debate ideas, not people.

You haven't even grasped the ideas yet, so how on earth can you debate them?

 

[fela fan]

But there are a number of people that have reacted to you in the same way fela.

Why single out BK?

She started the thread.

 

[Badger Kitten]

But there are a number of people that have reacted to you in the same way fela.

Why single out BK?

Possibly because I have publicly and repeatedly spoken out against conspiracy theories for nearly three years and done my level best to undermine their credibility? Possibly because the conpiracy theory people questioning 7/7 would love to have me or anyone else who was directly involved on their side to give them legitimacy - after all - I've campaigned for a 7/7 inquiry for ages with other people directly involved and not one of the people directly involved wants anything to do with their ''7/7 truth'' bollocks, a fact which infuriates the '7/7 Truthers' and has led to a stream of personal abuse being directed my way for years?

The 7/7 Conspiraloons really hate me. It was however, strategically necessary to make it absolutely crystal clear that the survivor/family campaign for a 7/7 inquiry was nothing to do with loonbats. Or we'd never have got through the door to challenge the Government. This involved a spokesperson speaking out and taking the flak. I got volunteered to manage both the endless media inquiries and conspiraloons as part of the campaign. Someone had to do it, and other people do other stuff.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Who is 'he'?

Nick Kollerstrom, duh

 

[cesare]

She started the thread.

Have you completely lost your faculty for critical reasoning?

 

[fela fan]

You ARE a conspiraloon fela, you earned your label with the umpteen thousand posts you've wasted on 911 threads.

Well, if that's your viewpoint, then there's nothing else to say on the point. Except that you've completely fucked it up.

But i doubt you'll accept that state of affairs...

 

[fela fan]

You haven't even grasped the ideas yet, so how on earth can you debate them?

Just your impression.

And how wrong you are cesare.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Fela fan, do you think 9/11 and 7/7 were 'inside jobs'?

Yes or no?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

She started the thread.

Do you mind if I show my kids this post, just so they can see that their primary school debating techniques will still be useful in later life...'she started it miss'...very good.

Louis MacNeice

 

[cesare]

Just your impression.

And how wrong you are cesare.

But you've just told chico that you skimmed the thread!!!

*puts head in hands*

 

[fela fan]

Possibly because I have publicly and repeatedly spoken out against conspiracy theories for nearly three years and done my level best to undermine their credibility? Possibly because the conpiracy theory people questioning 7/7 would love to have me or anyone else who was directly involved on their side to give them legitimacy - after all - I've campaigned for a 7/7 inquiry for ages with other people directly involved and not one of the people directly involved wants anything to do with their ''7/7 truth'' bollocks, a fact which infuriates the '7/7 Truthers' and has led to a stream of personal abuse being directed my way for years?

The 7/7 Conspiraloons really hate me. It was however, strategically necessary to make it absolutely crystal clear that the survivor/family campaign for a 7/7 inquiry was nothing to do with loonbats. Or we'd never have got through the door to challenge the Government. This involved a spokesperson speaking out and taking the flak. I got volunteered to manage both the endless media inquiries and conspiraloons as part of the campaign. Someone had to do it, and other people do other stuff.

All you're talking about is your own emotional investment in the whole topic.

Oh how they 'really hate me'.

Conspiraloons

Loonbats.

You're just so full of emotive language, yet you are part of the english media.

Oh dear.

 

[fela fan]

Have you completely lost your faculty for critical reasoning?

No.

What on earth brings about such a weird question?

 

[cesare]

You're just so full of emotive language, yet you are part of the english media.

You'd rather she shut up or summat?

 

[fela fan]

Fela fan, do you think 9/11 and 7/7 were 'inside jobs'?

Yes or no?

I don't really know much about 7/7, but i instinctively feel that 911 was brought about by elites within the american establishment.

 

[cesare]

No.

What on earth brings about such a weird question?

Probably just intuition

 

[fela fan]

You'd rather she shut up or summat?

NO, but is she's going to talk about the people rather than the opinions they hold, then i'm going to call it.

What the fuck are you on about?

 

[Badger Kitten]

I run the English media, don't you know, Fela fan. I control it all. Mwah ha ha

Honestly, look at yourself.

So - do you think 9/11 and 7/7 are inside jobs?

yes or no?

By the way, all the other people who have expressed emotions and used the word 'conspiraloon' on urban, are they emotionally invested as well? And do you have any thoughts about their role in relation to 'the English media'?

 

[cesare]

You haven't even grasped the ideas yet, so how on earth can you debate them?

Just your impression.

And how wrong you are cesare.

But you've just told chico that you skimmed the thread!!!

*puts head in hands*

I don't really know much about 7/7, but i instinctively feel that 911 was brought about by elites within the american establishment.