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editor said:
No more links to the same old bonkers sites please.1.
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How is 200+ 9/11 smoking guns from mainstream media..... bonkers? Because you disagree? You realise the worst debating tactic in the world is decrying your opponent as "bonkers" in order to dismiss their point, rather than actually responding like in a real discussion.

editor said:
2. My comments were addressed to fela fan who had just barged in with some weird 'mirrors and filters' bullshit in relation to my on-topic comment about the BBC
3. What are you babbling on about?
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"I wasn't talking to you."...I was half expecting that to be followed by "you ain`t from around here..are ya boy" :rolleyes: If you have something private to say to fela, PM him rather than being a cretin.

So here you go again, attempting to stifle discussion by arbitrarily deciding what sources "count"... its pathetic.

(forums going ok, not many posters but hey....your concern touches me)

Why do you let your own narrow minded prejudice against any evidence that 9/11 was a US intelligence black op. (and it was) influence everyone else? If I was a mod I wouldn`t delete sources that agreed with the official line...so why do you feel the need to dictate?

You devoutly believe 9/11 was committed purely by al-qaeda...a non existant organisation that only ever existed as a CIA database...nonsense.

Follow the money. In the media following 9/11 we were told the culprits would be found because they had indulged in insider trading under the guise of put options in united airlines. These were traced back to a company whose board of directors included Buzz Kronby, deputy director of the CIA.
The money to finance Attas team was wired to him by a Pakistani Intelligence official, General Mahmoud Ahmad. Where was he on the morning of 9/11? He was having breakfast with Sen Bob Graham and Rep Porter Goss, two statesmen who later helped chair the joint whitewash...i mean investigation.

Come on, wake up, the first chairman they put forward for the investigation was Kissinger... Its all very transparent and to paint those who point out the thousand inconsistencies and outright lies as being somehow strange is childish at best.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO308C.html
 
Or you could respond to the information presented....shock...horror..

No far easier to dismiss it out of hand. :)
 
Azrael23 said:
Or you could respond to the information presented....shock...horror..

No far easier to dismiss it out of hand. :)
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If you want you can still read most of my responses to the information presented. In the archive. You see, your 'information' has already been presented before. ad infinitum.
 
Az...it's because your 'evidence' wouldn't stand up to scrutiny in a court of monkeys, let alone a court of law. And you make such ridiculous statements:

You devoutly believe 9/11 was committed purely by al-qaeda...a non existant organisation that only ever existed as a CIA database...nonsense.
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A non-existant organisation that adopted the name al-q, and which has since become a brand name for other Islamic extremists to associate themselves with. Al-Q exists in the same way Coca Cola exists.

Why do you let your own narrow minded prejudice against any evidence that 9/11 was a US intelligence black op. (and it was) influence everyone else?
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So where's the proof that it was Az? Outside of your head I mean? And how do you respond to my points, as outlines above, about concepts like beyond reasonable doubt and innocent until proven guilty?
 
Its a shame you can`t apply the same scrutinous filters to the official story.

9 of the 19 hijackers still alive?

I don`t know about you but if I was in court hearing of a case in which 19 men killed themselves to strike a terrorist blow...only to see 9 walk in through the door with expressions of extreme confusion...I may have doubts about the credibility of those putting forward the case.

but no doubt, you fully trust people like the Bush crime family and heinrich kissinger :eek:
 
Azrael23 said:
9 of the 19 hijackers still alive?
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So they got the names of the hijackers wrong. It doesn't mean the aircraft weren't hijacked. It just shows incompetance in the US intelligence services.
 
This is great - on the one hand we've got those arguing that Woodwards words 'definitely' show how 9/11 was a LIHOP, and on the other we've got one still raving that it was all the USG (and one showing his true colours with regards to the question of 'Do you think Arabs incapable of planning an operation like this' with the comment 'cave dwelling...')

BTW - is it not entirely possible that they have SEVERAL different names and identities...
 
intelligence incompetence and drills....the magical get-out clauses for any self respecting black op. They blame them...they blames them...them blames the people telling them...and they, well they were part of the drill run by them... you see?... :rolleyes:

I suppose intelligence failures were responsible for the NORAD stand down? For the complete lack of any interception...despite the fact payne stewarts single engined plane was intercepted in 23 minutes when he collapse at the helm... depsite the fact its standard procedure? The military runs on efficiency of communication and never deviating from standard procedure unless absolutely necessary.

What a coincedence that the law was changed 2 months prior to 9/11 whereby the command to intercept hijackings could only be made by the vice president rather than the chiefs of staff as before. What a coincedence that the US were holding their biggest ever army drill just off the border of....Afghanistan....oh yes...its all coincedence and "intelligence failure"..

The only intelligence failure we witness is that of the people in buying this steaming shite.
 
Azrael23 said:
So no real reponse.

Yet again.
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Ever considered your not worth the effort?

Try one of these.
straight_jacket.jpg
 
The trouble people have, Az, is that you go straight from "It looks sus" to "There's a massive conspiracy! New world order! Microchips! Lizards! Cameras in every cash machine!" * apparently without any critical reasoning inbetween. You do as much automatic assumption as the sheeple you make us out to be. It makes you impossible to argue with rationally, almost as bad as a fundametalist Christian. If you can't see or understand how arrogant and annoying that makes you, then I suggest you look harder.

* Examples used for humorous effect. May or may not have actually been mentioned by Azrael23
 
Thats such a cliched response.

BTW the plans for a microchipped population are very real, as is the cashless society. The New World Order is a very real agenda, if you`d have sat my international relations paper last term, you too could have done your essay on the ramifications of the term.

Google: Verichip
 
Azrael23 said:
If you have something private to say to fela, PM him rather than being a cretin.
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I've have had enough of this.

The FAQ is quite clear on endlessly repeated conspiraloonery, so I'll let you dedicate yourself exclusively to your own little sad forum elsewhere for a week.

Bye!
 
Azrael23 said:
Thats such a cliched response.
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From here, it's true. I don't claim to have the answers, yet you do. We both have access to the same information, so there must be a cause for our difference in opinion. The only one I can see is that you are delusional or arrogant. This offends you. Sorry.
BTW the plans for a microchipped population are very real, as is the cashless society. The New World Order is a very real agenda, if you`d have sat my international relations paper last term, you too could have done your essay on the ramifications of the term.

Google: Verichip
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I know exactly what RFID tags are. I know how they work and their limitations. I know that they have been trialled in hospitals and I know that there are privacy concerens about them (too damn right). However, I know of no plans to install them in everyone. Actual plans.

Oh, he's gone :(
 
Donna Ferentes said:
Those who were made to be complicit might, I think, have a view to saying so.
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I think the point is nobody was made complicit everybody involved was oil and arms profiteering men and women.
 
editor said:
Sorry, I didn't realise this had turned into Book Club, or that I was obliged to faithfully follow your off topic ruminations.
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In this mind bendingly well referenced book desrcibes the media propaganda filters that have been built up even to an Orwellian (in achievement but far more subtle in execution) extent.

This has formed hocus pocus versions in the minds of the public of staggering events such as the US promoted and led attrocities in South and Central America, Vietnam and the general holocaust commited in Indochina by the US Admin.

If you you are willing to read this book I will send you copy.

Are you up for giving it a bash?
 
Will you stop waving Chomsky around like a first year at university who's just discovered Marxism? I've read pretty much all of Chomsky's political stuff, and two of his books on linguistics so please do not for one second attempt to lecture me on the use of propaganda filters and suchlike.

The funny thing is, you're doing something that Chomsky never does - making claims for things to have happened/been ordered/happened etc with nothing more than moral outrage and 'well they did it before they would do it again' logic.

Take a leaf out of your idol's book and apply rigorous proofs to what you are saying/all you claim and see how little of what you say would actually stand up to the level of proof that Chomsky gives. Why do you think that he's been remarkably quiet on the subject of 9/11? Because he requires actual, verifiable corroborated proof.

And have a look at how your fellow conspiracy types see him:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=109
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/STR505A.html

And here's what Chomsky says:

Noam said:
"There's by now a small industry on the thesis that the administration had something to do with 9-11. I've looked at some of it, and have often been asked. There's a weak thesis that is possible though extremely unlikely in my opinion, and a strong thesis that is close to inconceivable. The weak thesis is that they knew about it and didn't try to stop it. The strong thesis is that they were actually involved. The evidence for either thesis is, in my opinion, based on a failure to understand properly what evidence is. Even in controlled scientific experiments one finds all sorts of unexplained phenomena, strange coincidences, loose ends, apparent contradictions, etc. Read the letters in technical science journals and you'll find plenty of samples. In real world situations, chaos is overwhelming, and these will mount to the sky. That aside, they'd have had to be quite mad to try anything like that. It would have had to involve a large number of people, something would be very likely to leak, pretty quickly, they'd all be lined up before firing squads and the Republican Party would be dead forever. That would have happened whether the plan succeeded or not, and success was at best a long shot; it would have been extremely hard to predict what would happen."
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So, given that the man who came up with all the stuff you keep telling me I should apply, I ask you again - where is your proof?
 
DrRingDing said:
I think the point is nobody was made complicit everybody involved was oil and arms profiteering men and women.
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Infact IMO Bush Snr probably made sure Dubya wasn't in on it as he is too much of a fuckwit.
 
Dont be an obnoxious prick kyser.

I'm replying to the editor regarding the integrety of the media not your obese arsery.
 
Yeah, but you're plugging Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent, and I'm calling you on saying you're applying Chomsky's filters to reach the conclusion there was an inside job on 9/11 because you're talking absolute bollocks.

Noam has written extensively on the US media (in particluar) in the wake of 9/11 (as have just about every other liberal media commentator in the US), a combination of essays and the 'new' book 'Hegemony & Survival' (Yes, Chavez' fave) which is little more than a stripped out rewrite of 'Deterring Democracy' - a good Chomsky primer as it were.

And if you're not prepared to be called to stand by your own standards of proof then don't start waving Chomsky around.
 
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