CIA knew of 9/11 - told Admin - Covered Up for Inquiry

[DrRingDing]

doublepost

...or was it doublethink???

 

[editor]

...and of course you've never been on a protest or action and then read the papers the next day or turned on the telly to find suddenly what you saw, heard, smelt and did was actually a complete hallucination.

Errr? Hello?

Why do you think I started this site for Chrissakes?



But that still doesn't help your underhand personal slur that suggested kyser_soze's (former) employment somehow coloured his personal opinion expressed here..

 

[editor]

I notice you still haven't answered my 'Jersey Girls' question.

Do you support their call for a further inquiry?

I haven't fully read what they're asking for, but I hope for their sakes that the '9/11 Truth' brigade aren't shoving their oar in and trying to manipulate them for their own bonkers ends.

 

[Jazzz]

Errr? Hello?

Why do you think I started this site for Chrissakes?

Given your relentless hounding of anyone daring to question the official 9/11 narrative, one wonders

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Given your relentless hounding of anyone daring to question the official 9/11 narrative, one wonders

That's why nobody involved in the conspiracy has ever spoken up, Jazzz.

It's because they're terrified of being hounded on internet bulletin boards.

 

[Jazzz]

Yes, you would otherwise expect murderers to volunteer their guilt.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Those who were made to be complicit might, I think, have a view to saying so.

 

[Jazzz]

So we have to believe that a bunch of Islamic fundamentalist cave-dwellers who couldn't fly planes, armed with stuff from the newsagents, led by the pork-chop and cocaine loving Mohammed Atta smashed through the $trillion defences of the US military, because no-one's blabbed...

 

[axon]

So we have to believe that a bunch of Islamic fundamentalist cave-dwellers who couldn't fly planes, armed with stuff from the newsagents, led by the pork-chop and cocaine loving Mohammed Atta smashed through the $trillion defences of the US military, because no-one's blabbed...

Would these be the trillion dollar defences such as the much harped "missile battery" on the pentagon, that unfortunately doesn't exist. Or maybe the water tight US immigration laws which have never let anyone dodgy into the country?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

So we have to believe that a bunch of Islamic fundamentalist cave-dwellers who couldn't fly planes,

Hmmmm.

 

[DrRingDing]

Bitching aside have you read "Manufacturing Consent"?

*ahem*

 

[editor]

Given your relentless hounding of anyone daring to question the official 9/11 narrative, one wonders

After your recently laughable conspiraloon clownery, I'm amazed that you've the front to show your face on any 9/11 threads.

You've already proven beyond doubt that you'll believe absolutely anything from any bonkers source, just so long as it backs up your weird obsession with 9/11 conspiracies.

 

[editor]

*ahem*

Sorry, I didn't realise this had turned into Book Club, or that I was obliged to faithfully follow your off topic ruminations.

Have you a point here, or will you me asking me about my record collection next?

 

[Jazzz]

Would these be the trillion dollar defences such as the much harped "missile battery" on the pentagon, that unfortunately doesn't exist. Or maybe the water tight US immigration laws which have never let anyone dodgy into the country?

The Pentagon will certainly have missile defences.

I'm glad you mentioned US immigration because there we have a good example of someone speaking out, which might interest DF. Michael Springmann, who was repeatedly ordered to issue dodgy visas from the same place the 9/11 hijackers got theirs from - his disquiet at doing so led to him losing his job.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I'm struggling to see a close connection there, Jazzz. Could you elaborate? (In the morning, if you would, I have to pack up now.)

 

[ska invita]

Michael Springmann,

"J. Michael Springmann, formerly chief of the visa section at the U.S. Embassy in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia"

What is up with Jeddah, Saudi Arabia? I ask becasue the NYtimes link
http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/fuj/nytimes24a.htm
was filed By PHILIP SHENON and MARK MAZZETTI JIDDA, Saudi Arabia, Oct. 2

Probably just a coincidence. Nevermind.

Its an intersting story about Springmann, but its a shame there is no other source - if there is Id like to see it Jazzz.

 

[Crispy]

Sorry guys, the joke's gone on long enough. To be honest it's been great fun playing you all for saps, but my conscience has got the better of me. I own up. I did it. Remote control planes and all. Sorry for fucking a few things up that I really didn't expect to, but hey - that's the price you pay for a really good practical joke. I hope we can still be friends.

 

[axon]

The Pentagon will certainly have missile defences.

Except that the standard conspiraloon logic, as I'm sure you are well aware, goes "the pentagon has automatic missile batteries that would shoot down an incoming aircraft". This has been refuted what with the pentagon being on a one of the flight paths out of Reagan airport. Conspiraloon reponse is usually to go a bit quiet, and then it's off to the internet to search for more evidence of a government plot.

Serious Q, do conspiraloons not feel a twinge of embarrassment after many of the things they post up as evidence of a cover-up turn out to be total shite? There seems to be no learning curve of maybe questioning the latest 'evidence', given that much of what floats around the internet (9/11 based or otherwise) is bollocks.

 

[teqniq]

Conspiraloonery aside, Juan Cole is pretty scathing of the whole sorry state of affairs here. The comments are worth reading too.

 

[ska invita]

Interesting link teqniq, particularly in regard to the politics of language used - Woodwards submissive use of "denial" when in fact lying manipulating cunts was the words he was looking for.

This comment nailed it I think:
http://www.juancole.com/2006/10/lies-and-cover-ups-are-not-being-in.html#c115988700100258555

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Except that the standard conspiraloon logic, as I'm sure you are well aware, goes "the pentagon has automatic missile batteries that would shoot down an incoming aircraft". This has been refuted what with the pentagon being on a one of the flight paths out of Reagan airport.

But, but, but, they must!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

So we have to believe that a bunch of Islamic fundamentalist cave-dwellers who couldn't fly planes, armed with stuff from the newsagents, led by the pork-chop and cocaine loving Mohammed Atta smashed through the $trillion defences of the US military, because no-one's blabbed...

Conversely, do you think that Saudi Arabians are somehow so deficient mentally, intellectually, etc, that they couldn't conceive of and carry out this terrorist attack?

Are you saying that only whites of European heritage are able to handle complex plans, etc?

Isn't that racist or something?

 

[Lock&Light]

Isn't that racist or something?

I think it's more ageist, actually. Continually banging on about 'cave-dwellers' is an attempt to defame neolithic people.

 

[fela fan]

Have you ever worked for the BBC? Or been interviewed by them?

I have and I didn't see any 'mind control' mechanisms in place.

If you didn't see them, then either they didn't take place, or you were cleverly hoodwinked. Where's your evidence that it was the former?

 

[fela fan]

It is interesting to see the gradual embracing of the 911 story by mainstream media. Once they get some momemtum going, it's going to be jail for bush and a few of his mates. I reckon that the bush/blair double act is the most criminal in recent decades, and considering some of their predecessors, that's quite an achievement. I just wonder if they might get locked up for their crimes...

 

[ska invita]

It is interesting to see the gradual embracing of the 911 story by mainstream media. Once they get some momemtum going, it's going to be jail for bush and a few of his mates. I reckon that the bush/blair double act is the most criminal in recent decades, and considering some of their predecessors, that's quite an achievement. I just wonder if they might get locked up for their crimes...

All that Thai sun is making you very hopeful - the amount that can be proved is always going to be slim to circumstantial -

So far there is so much more concrete proof on the record that IRaq was planned and going to happen no matter what, well before the UN got involved - clearly an act of aggression and clearly a war crime - yet I dont see anyone being brought to justice on that one. That would be a watertight case.

Even Rumsfeld who is slowly being made the scapegoat by those around him survives because Bush has "faith" in the 76year old butcher. The mafia are easier to bring to justice than this mob...

 

[editor]

If you didn't see them, then either they didn't take place, or you were cleverly hoodwinked. Where's your evidence that it was the former?

What the fuck are you babbling on about now?

 

[Barking_Mad]

this quote i always found revealing and frightening......TruthOut document taken from a Ron Suskind NYTimes article.

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend - but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101704A.shtml

 

[Azrael23]

Just in case you were unaware, http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

9/11 Documentary: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6517776133137328105&q=road+to+tyranny

What the fuck are you babbling on about now?

No, what are you babbling on about? In case you hadn`t noticed this is a DISCUSSION board, why do you feel the need to butt in with your jpeg inspired drivel and repetitive playground insults?

 

[editor]

Just in case you were unaware, http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

No more links to the same old bonkers sites please.

No, what are you babbling on about?

1. I wasn't talking to you.
2. My comments were addressed to fela fan who had just barged in with some weird 'mirrors and filters' bullshit in relation to my on-topic comment about the BBC
3. What are you babbling on about?

How's your own forum going, by the way?