'9/11 Truth Movement' and Academia

[Demosthenes]

Which one? The high speed test where they strapped it to a rocket sled and used a specialist high speed, top of the line camera capable of millisecond or faster capture speeds to capture it?

It's a very cool video, i had a still from it as my desktop for a long while.

It sounds like it was that one. (it was along the ground, crashing into a wall)

 

[Dillinger4]

No I do believe quite a few things..

I believe a number of different explanations may be true, but that only one of them is, and that I don't know which, - and also I believe that the question of how the towers came to fall down is a different question from who planned the attack, and finding out the answer to the one doesn't mean finding out the answer to the other.

And I believe that there are videos on youtube that are relevant to the first question, - and that there are a number of them, that show towers exploding but no plane impacts, and that they look more real to me than the same shots with plane impacts, and that this judgement of mine may be wrong, - and that maybe the impression of the plane sinking into the tower like a knife into butter and the fourway explosion is actually exactly how it should look.

And I think that people who haven't watched quite a few non news agency videos shouldn't comment on the value of the non-news sources.

You are not qualified to comment on plane impacts.

 

[Dillinger4]

No you claim you have no opinion as to what happened, I'm asking you if you have an opinion about what didn't happen?
Did the US government or its agencies have anything to do with the planning of 9/11 ?

I don't know?



Did they?



Where are you getting this from? Your imagination?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

It sounds like it was that one. (it was along the ground, crashing into a wall)

Yeah, the edit makes it a bit clearer but that's nothing like the setting for the 9/11 filming. It's like saying that since hyrdogen atoms can be fused together in a tokamak you should be able to recreate the effect by ramming two balloons together. As far as a scientific test goes it's not worth the time you spent.

 

[jonH]

I don't know?



Did they?



Where are you getting this from? Your imagination?

What ideas do you have? Or even facts about the initial planning of this unacceptable attack on freedom and democracy?

 

[Demosthenes]

Yeah, the edit makes it a bit clearer but that's nothing like the setting for the 9/11 filming. It's like saying that since hyrdogen atoms can be fused together in a tokamak you should be able to recreate the effect by ramming two balloons together. As far as a scientific test goes it's not worth the time you spent.

You mean it's not a comparable quality of video. ?

you may be right. But I do think a comparison worth doing is of shots featuring explosions caused by planes, with similar shots featuring explosions without planes. And then judge for yourself, which seems to make more sense.

 

[Dillinger4]

What ideas do you have? Or even facts about the initial planning of this unacceptable attack on freedom and democracy?

None, just the same as you.

Except you HAVE made some claims. But they don't seem to be made on facts, just completely idle speculation.

At least I am not speculating based on entirely nothing.

 

[jonH]

None, just the same as you.

Except you HAVE made some claims. But they don't seem to be made on facts, just completely idle speculation.

At least I am not speculating based on entirely nothing.

so it wasn't initially planned by Bin Laden, in Afghanistan in 1999?

 

[Dillinger4]

You mean it's not a comparable quality of video. ?

Why do you think you can talk about plane impacts because you watched a few videos?

 

[Dillinger4]

so it wasn't initially planned by Bin Laden, in Afghanistan in 1999?

I don't know? Was it?



You seem to have quite a few random ideas here anyway.

 

[jonH]

I don't know? Was it?



You seem to have quite a few random ideas here anyway.

more idea than you,...... in my state that's remarkable

 

[Bob_the_lost]

You mean it's not a comparable quality of video. ?

you may be right. But I do think a comparison worth doing is of shots featuring explosions caused by planes, with similar shots featuring explosions without planes. And then judge for yourself, which seems to make more sense.

Exactly. Fixed settings with light testing and a ultra high end camera vs. changing lighting, low capture rate, conversion losses and lossy storage.

 

[Dillinger4]

more idea than you,...... in my state that's remarkable

Its a shame your ideas are made up in your head.

 

[fela fan]

Please explain why thousands of people - if not tens of thousands - clearly saw a plane hit the tower with their own eyes.

Ahh, it's the editor speaking personally for all those thousands of people who have actually told him that they saw a plane.

After all, how on earth could editor know that thousands or tens of thousands of people saw a plane? Perhaps he read all their quotes in the newspaper...

And not only did they see the plane, they saw it clearly.

Not only did they see the plane clearly, they even used their very own eyes to do this seeing.

Remarkable stuff.

 

[jonH]

Its a shame your ideas are made up in your head.

what do you use your head for? I think hypothesis are a useful start to any scientific approach. We must have ideas

 

[A Dashing Blade]

. . . After all, how on earth could editor know that thousands or tens of thousands of people saw a plane? Perhaps he read all their quotes in the newspaper...

And not only did they see the plane, they saw it clearly.

Not only did they see the plane clearly, they even used their very own eyes to do this seeing.

Remarkable stuff.

So how many people DO YOU THINK actually saw one or both planes crash into those tower blocks with their own eyes? An order of magnitude will do. Tens, Hundreds, Thousands or Tens Of Thousands.
Simple question.
I appreciate you're prolly gonna reply along the lines of "what I think is unimportant" etc but just this once, why not give a straight answer to a straight question?

personal disclosure : saw the second one hit on live TV

 

[jæd]

Ahh, it's the editor speaking personally for all those thousands of people who have actually told him that they saw a plane.

A friend of friend of mine used to work next door to the World Trade Centre... He quit a highly lucrative career because he was so shaken up by people flying planes into the building next door. He also lost some goods friends to it. He knew what he saw.

Perhaps he was just making it up...? And his friends having been playing a jolly jape on him by playing such a long game of hiding seek. It would be nice if people like Fela would have the balls to go and talk to him...

I know Fela has me on ignore (he ignores anyone who doesn't share his ravings) but he is being a complete fuckwit here.

 

[fela fan]

So how many people DO YOU THINK actually saw one or both planes crash into those tower blocks with their own eyes? An order of magnitude will do. Tens, Hundreds, Thousands or Tens Of Thousands.
Simple question.
I appreciate you're prolly gonna reply along the lines of "what I think is unimportant" etc but just this once, why not give a straight answer to a straight question?

personal disclosure : saw the second one hit on live TV

You've unfortunately applied a fair whack of your own experiences in life to what i said, and no worries. But i'm not denying for one moment that huge numbers saw the planes go into the buildings. I'm having a genuine and relevant reposte to the editor's words where he assumed spokesmanship for all these thousands.

That said, i know nothing of what actually happened that day, except that i saw live on the tv in england a plane ramming into the second tower. I saw this on my tv live. If i try to recall other things, i do recall how quickly it seemed to be going, and at a low altitude that's fair enough.

 

[fela fan]

I know Fela has me on ignore (he ignores anyone who doesn't share his ravings) but he is being a complete fuckwit here.

Jaed, i've been here for over five years and i still don't know how to put someone on ignore. I don't need to, coz i have no need to. I read mostly what you write, but i've decided again that in accordance with keeping my life in pretty positive mode that i don't need to communicate with disrespectful people.

Learn a bit of common respect for your fellow human beings, and they might communicate with you a wee bit more.

 

[jæd]

Learn a bit of common respect for your fellow human beings, and they might communicate with you a wee bit more.

A bit rich that coming from a guy who thinks that 9/11 might not have happened just because he wasn't there... You've also in your time managed to defend the Iranian and Chinese govts and have lied through your teeth about what qualifications you may or may not have. (All though you might not remember any of these statements...)

 

[fela fan]

A bit rich that coming from a guy who thinks that 9/11 might not have happened just because he wasn't there... You've also in your time managed to defend the Iranian and Chinese govts and have lied through your teeth about what qualifications you may or may not have. (All though you might not remember any of these statements...)

And so the non-respect goes on. You should very lightly err against defining people as blatant liars. It is a real social gaffe.

I know 911 happened.

I've never defended the Iranian government.

I've never defended the Chinese government.

I have never once lied about my qualifications.

And unless you quickly learn some respect, along with a real need to improve your reading skills, and to avoid falsely judging people, then i shall return to the more favourable chilled-out attitude towards your rather nasty jibes.

 

[Dillinger4]

And so the non-respect goes on. You should very lightly err against defining people as blatant liars. It is a real social gaffe.

I know 911 happened.

I've never defended the Iranian government.

I've never defended the Chinese government.

I have never once lied about my qualifications.

And unless you quickly learn some respect, along with a real need to improve your reading skills, and to avoid falsely judging people, then i shall return to the more favourable chilled-out attitude towards your rather nasty jibes.

Still not told us where you graduated from, as an undergraduate, then as a posgraduate, and where you teach.

It is entirely relevant, because you are either lying, or have qualifications that do not really mean anything, academically.

Which one is it?

I get he the impression you are not the 'chilled out hippy' persona you sell yourself as at all.

 

[Dillinger4]

Wriggle Wriggle Wriggle.

 

[Dillinger4]

Got me on ignore Fela?

You have such an open mind. Open to all possibilities.

 

[tarannau]

Fela Fan's like the Gillian McKeith of urban's own conspiracy clique.

A ludicrous fantastist who loves the sound of his own voice and has a tendency to inflate his own achievements.

 

[jæd]

Got me on ignore Fela?

You have such an open mind. Open to all possibilities.

You're obviously not being "polite" enough...

 

[Dillinger4]

Isn't it funny how he disappears at such key moments?

I bet he has every one of us here on ignore.

 

[jbob]

Still not told us where you graduated from, as an undergraduate, then as a posgraduate, and where you teach.

It is entirely relevant, because you are either lying, or have qualifications that do not really mean anything, academically.

Which one is it?

I get he the impression you are not the 'chilled out hippy' persona you sell yourself as at all.

I think you're bing a bit unfair to Fela here. I've been posting here as long, if not longer, than him, and he's never claimed to have done an undergraduate degree. Postgrad, yes. I'll speculate that its in the field of Linguistics/TESOL.

He's always been open about how he started out in his career overseas - there's several threads in Travel about it. He teaches in a TEFL based capacity in Thailand and has given a great deal of useful advice to people over the years considering that career path. I don't see why he's under any obligation to reveal his place of work; in fact, it would be a bit stupid, no?

Disagree with his opinions by all mean (I know I do), but why the investigation into his professional life? The ganging up on the board is getting really out of hand.

 

[jonH]

Isn't it funny how he disappears at such key moments?

I bet he has every one of us here on ignore.

What are your ideas about 9/11? just out of interest?


Again........

 

[jæd]

He's always been open about how he started out in his career overseas - there's several threads in Travel about it. He teaches in a TEFL based capacity in Thailand and has given a great deal of useful advice to people over the years considering that career path. I don't see why he's under any obligation to reveal his place of work; in fact, it would be a bit stupid, no?

Disagree with his opinions by all mean (I know I do), but why the investigation into his professional life? The ganging up on the board is getting really out of hand.

Because he made a big point of it. That, and the fact he doesn't appear to understand what basis dissertations are marked on. (Even though he claims to have written one for his degree course and apparently gives lots of advice on academic matters)