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Sadly true. Fucking religious cunts.Backatcha Bandit said:Not all that uncommon, unfortunately.
Sadly true. Fucking religious cunts.Backatcha Bandit said:Not all that uncommon, unfortunately.
8den said:Would you like a list of all of the catalogue of errors Fisk has made in his journalist career? There are basic factual errors in Fisk's 911 article, that he could have verified quite easily as completely untrue, but Fisk doesn't bother to check.
beesonthewhatnow said:I dunno, he's hardly a neutral source of information when it comes to an opinion on the USA is he?
editor said:Sadly true. Fucking religious cunts.
fela fan said:Yes please, i'd like to see that list.
And also could you let me know how you can say so authoritatively that fisk "doesn't bother to check"? Are you his wife or something?
, that kerosene burns at 820C under optimum conditions, how come the steel beams of the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would snap through at the same time? (They collapsed in 8.1 and 10 seconds.)
the third tower – the so-called World Trade Centre Building 7 (or the Salmon Brothers Building) – which collapsed in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint at 5.20pm on 11 September? Why did it so neatly fall to the ground when no aircraft had hit it?
Y'see mr den, when you come out with such certainties that are purely subjective, and which must be wrong, it tends to impact negatively on everything else you say.
Of course if you are right that fisk doesn't bother to check then i apologise in advance. But i think you're unnecessarily slurring one of the finest journos around.
Religious people have started wars for all sorts of reasons since we were clans wandering around the countryside. Bush is on record as using his 'faith' to guide him in his decisions.fela fan said:I know what you mean, but bush ain't religious. Any religious person could never start wars for fun. And let's not forget how bush used to smirk when texas governor when signing the execution papers for those on texan death row. The man loves death.
He's a politician masquerading behind religion. They love to mix the two.
I think he is christian in the sense that he really does believe in the virgin birth, sacrificial crucifixion and bodily resurrection of Jesus.fela fan said:I know what you mean, but bush ain't religious.
phildwyer said:Blimey. Even I know that a Muslim would never write that. It's basically equating oneself with God. But that fact makes it *harder* for me to believe it was faked. Why would any faker much such an obvious cock-up? Must be a mistranslation, I'd say.
editor said:So is twisting your faith around to justify the random mass murder of innocents, no?
Aldebaran said:No, it is not the same, in fact the contrary.
They are ready to die in the conviction that is what (their interpretation of) the religion requires and advertizes as the most noble, most rewarding deed any human can engage in to glorify and serve God.
At such a moment putting yourself (and your family) at equality with God goes even beyond lunaticism. I don't even speak of the spiritual meanings that come with the use of the bismillah. You simply don't use that in vain, ever.
salaam.
I don't believe you - or anyone else - can say with any absolute certainty what goes through the mind of murderous cunt.Aldebaran said:You simply don't use that in vain, ever.
salaam.
Odds on he won't like it.EddyBlack said:This one is good too - www.debunking911.com/ - The building 7 analysis is very interesting.
Gmarthews said:Any conspiracy is the same as a religion, it needs a step of faith to believe in it either way.
editor said:I don't believe you - or anyone else - can say with any absolute certainty what goes through the mind of murderous cunt.
I've never understood this obession with the phone calls and Mike Yarwood. Nooone disputes that 4 planes were hijacked, only where they ended up. The phone calls don't mean squat as evidence for any proposed scenario that I've ever seen.editor said:So what are you saying Phil? That all those eyewitnesses suffered a mass delusion when they clearly saw a plane hitting the Pentagon and the original plane, the phone calls from the plane were faked by CIA's Mike Yarwood Team, the real plane vanished into an alternative reality and the passengers are in fact fit and well and living in Penge?
Funny. I seem to remember OBL stating quite clearly that it was the Israeli occupation of the West Bank & Gaza, the murderous sanctions on Iraq and the presence of US troops on Saudi Soil.warren said:IIRC the justification for 9/11 was Prophet Mohammed's attack on one of the tribes of Medina using catapults to bombard the city.
ymu said:I've never understood this obession with the phone calls and Mike Yarwood.
Except Jazzz for one. Oh and a fair few others on prison planet.ymu said:Nooone disputes that 4 planes were hijacked, only where they ended up.
MikeMcc said:Religious people have started wars for all sorts of reasons since we were clans wandering around the countryside. Bush is on record as using his 'faith' to guide him in his decisions.
Backatcha Bandit said:You can (and probably should) read the article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm
fela fan said:I have to state again, no religious people could involve themselves with war, not least start them for fun. It's an oxymoron. You might mean people who profess themselves to be religious, and who through self-deception may believe this to be true.
Except they didn't have the 'high quality recordings' needed of the people on the flights. Except one of the calls came from someone who wasn't even supposed to be on one of the flights. Except that the technology is not real time. Except that the example listed wasn't a conversation or an intense, emotional talk with their nearest and dearest.fela fan said:Interesting link bb!
While the New Testament (for various reasons) does not advocate violence, the Old Testament certainly did advocate going to war in certain circumstances.fela fan said:I have to state again, no religious people could involve themselves with war, not least start them for fun. It's an oxymoron. You might mean people who profess themselves to be religious, and who through self-deception may believe this to be true.
Well, I was trying to keep it real simple for the ravers who might otherwise find it hard to believe that such technology might ever have actually been used in earnest in the real world of Mossad and the CIA.Backatcha Bandit said:Allow me to elucidate:
It stems from a protracted 'discussion' that took place regarding the technical possibility that telephone calls can be 'faked' between an individual and an imposter posing as as another individual that is well known to the first.
Such capabilities are well documented, for instance by the Defence Analyst William M. Arkin in a piece he wrote for his 'Dot.MIL' column in that appears in the Washington Post way back in February 1999.
You can (and probably should) read the article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm
An alternative view was proposed which posits that for such a deception to take place, a 'Team of Mike Yarwoods' (popular UK comedian / impersonator) would need to be employed.
HTH.
There is no technology available that could instantly, totally accurately and with a 100% success rate impersonate a real-time conversation between family, friends, and colleagues. The suggestion that they were faked and that the loved ones too stupid to notice is sick.ymu said:Well, I was trying to keep it real simple for the ravers who might otherwise find it hard to believe that such technology might ever have actually been used in earnest in the real world of Mossad and the CIA.
Lyz Glick: “He said, ‘Lyz, I need to know something. One of the other passengers had talked to their spouse and he had told me, said that they were crashing planes into the World Trade Center,’ and was this true. And I said, ‘You need to be strong, but yes, they are doing that.’”
She didn’t tell him everything she was seeing. As they talked, another plane crashed into the Pentagon. And then the first tower collapsed.
He said one passenger was already dead and the others were plotting to rush the cockpit as a last chance to live or save other lives. While it was unspoken, it was understood, this was goodbye.
Lyz Glick: “We said ‘I love you’ 1,000 times over and over again and it just brought so much peace to us. And he said, ‘I love Emmy,’ who is our daughter, and to take care of her. And then he said, ‘Whatever decisions you make in your life, I need you to be happy and I will respect any decisions that you make.’”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080114/
And I pointed out that it was irrelevant when under any credible scenario 4 planes full of real people were hijacked.editor said:There is no technology available that could instantly, totally accurately and with a 100% success rate impersonate a real-time conversation between family, friends, and colleagues. The suggestion that they were faked and that the loved ones too stupid to notice is sick.
So have you any point here?
TAE said:While the New Testament (for various reasons) does not advocate violence, the Old Testament certainly did advocate going to war in certain circumstances.