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Backatcha Bandit said:
Are you serious? :D
Oh, I can't be arsed with this. I thought I made it crystal clear that I wasn't presenting the link as a credible source or story, but thought there might be something in there worth discussing. If that's beyond you, fine.
 
Oh, so you are serious. I find that even funnier. :)

So exactly which bit of this piece of utterly vile, hysterical propaganda that you *stumbled* across made you think 'I know, I'll cross post this to my own forum'? :D

I must admit, what I find most amusing is the stark hypocrisy you exhibit by posting such utter shit from such a source, since you are so often given to questioning the veracity of articles and information posted by others on the basis of their provenance.

Despite your disclaimer, I couldn't help but speculate on why such an articulation of such artifice might not be subject to the process of 'peer review' of which you are so fond; In that finding another organism on this planet that equals such pondlife as Mr. Freitas' worth and that can hold a pen might prove a little difficult.
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Backatcha Bandit said:
I must admit, what I find most amusing is the stark hypocrisy you exhibit by posting such utter shit from such a source, since you are so often given to questioning the veracity of articles and information posted by others on the basis of their provenance.
It would only be "hypocritical" if I'd posted up the link, presented it as fact and didn't question the source. After all, that's what troof nuts do.

But I didn't do that, did I?

So I'll just laugh at your hopeless, piss weak attempts to discredit me with such a desperate misrepresentation.

:D
 
editor said:
It would only be "hypocritical" if I'd posted up the link, presented it as fact and didn't question the source. After all, that's what troof nuts do.

But I didn't do that, did I?

So I'll just laugh at your hopeless, piss weak attempts to discredit me with such a desperate misrepresentation.

:D

By posting it at all, you discredit yourself more than my 'piss weak attempts' at such could ever do. :)
 
Badger Kitten said:
Erm, I have never had a legal letter from anyone, ever, though bizarrely ''dandelion'' aka sue thingy turned up on a local newspaper message board commenting following the jailing of a serial harasser claiming a) that I was a u75 mod
b) that she had sent legal letters to me
c) that I had persecuted her.This was just strange. I never commented on her Stockwell story other than to privately reply to a PM expressing general support for trauma sufferers. Thinking back I seemed to have upset her by not replying to further PMs demanding that I publicly comment positively on her story but as I had a few concerns about her story - TIR is absolutely not a service offered by Victim Support, as she claimed, for example - I said nothing, in order not to stir things/embarrass her...

Oh dear, I think it says a lot about you that you saw fit to drag this up again BK. I'm surprised at you.

However I'm well aware of your capacity to create trouble and then play the victim and lie through your teeth about it all. No wonder there are so many who hate your guts. I've already exposed that. Allow me to remind you, when you posted:

Badger Kitten said:
They are the ones lying about me and harassing me. They fucking started it, to take the basic position. I wish to God I had never found out about such people

That they have chosen to spin this the other way is typical of their mendacious fantasies."

unfortunately you forgot (I hadn't) that you had posted at the time, right here on urban75

Conspiraloons have been driving me mad for for the last 24 hours, I have been fighting with them and it is like swimming in treacle.

Mr BK was on the X box hence me picking fights with idiots online.

Now when s** was persecuted on here - her treatment was quite abominable - she was trying to work out where it had all come from, trying to make some sense out of it. I told her that I'd received a pm showing that there was gossip that she'd come here to stalk you - although there was of course absolutely no reason to assume this. So she concluded that had sprung from you, and hence the rest of it.

I have to say I thought she had overreacted there but reading your post now I think she was utterly correct. If you had concerns about her story, why didn't you simply ask her? Why would it have 'embarrassed her'? Because we can now be quite sure that you told others about your concerns. And in fact it's clear that your mind was completely made up about it. And hence a train of gossip took hold which proved unstoppable, which she was given no chance to answer.

At the time it seemed her story was unusual because she reported hearing 'at least ten shots', when the rest of the media said five. Yet, she was proved correct. Stobart Spotter claimed that her story must be made up because she thought the IPCC didn't give out copies of statements. Yet, she was proved correct, and indeed the Guardian interviewed her and saw her copy statement. Others doubted her because the IPCC cast doubt about her account of the layout of Stockwell Station. Yet, again she was proved correct in every detail.

Why didn't you simply ask her about this TIR nonsense? I am sure I could ask her for you and clear that up if you wished to do that, rather than indulge yourself in further smearing.

Just because you had one stalker you shouldn't flatter yourself that everyone is. Your gossip caused a traumatised woman a load of distress. Imagine if you were called a liar for your story and banned without a chance to answer back!

editor should indeed thank himself lucky that she didn't sue. I'm sure you would have done exactly the same in her position.
 
Jazzz said:
However I'm well aware of your capacity to create trouble and then play the victim and lie through your teeth about it all. No wonder there are so many who hate your guts.
My, what a charmer you've turned out to be.
Jazzz said:
editor should indeed thank himself lucky that she didn't sue.
What? Hello?

I've got nothing to be 'thankful' for. Nothing at all. In fact, I had quite a lot to be angry about, and your great shit-stirring at the time didn't help the situation one iota.

But just so there's no mistake, let me make it clear here: she had absolutely no case against me whatsoever. Nothing. Nada.
I wasn't even on the boards when it all kicked off, ffs. I was on holiday without internet access, so kindly shove your malicious slurs up your Pentahole.

I only took her name off the boards because she pestered the fuck out of me with a load of bonkers legal threats and I couldn't be arsed with the hassle.

PS Talking of 'persecution', your current conduct to BK sure smacks of the very same.
 
editor said:
PS Talking of 'persecution', your current conduct to BK sure smacks of the very same.


Oh MY GOD!!!

You're accusing me of stalking BK now! :rolleyes: :D

No wonder poor *** ******** didn't have a chance.
 
Jazzz said:
You're accusing me of stalking BK now!
Hello? Troofseeker? Where did I accuse you of 'stalking' BK?
Jazzz said:
No wonder poor *** ******** didn't have a chance.
Are you suggesting that I "stalked" this fucking s-- woman?

Please explain exactly what you're suggesting here. Thanks.
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
Oh, so you are serious. I find that even funnier. :)

So exactly which bit of this piece of utterly vile, hysterical propaganda that you *stumbled* across made you think 'I know, I'll cross post this to my own forum'? :D

I must admit, what I find most amusing is the stark hypocrisy you exhibit by posting such utter shit from such a source, since you are so often given to questioning the veracity of articles and information posted by others on the basis of their provenance.

Despite your disclaimer, I couldn't help but speculate on why such an articulation of such artifice might not be subject to the process of 'peer review' of which you are so fond; In that finding another organism on this planet that equals such pondlife as Mr. Freitas' worth and that can hold a pen might prove a little difficult.
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That is the either the most blatant piece of misrepresentation I've seen on here since O'Lynch was given his papers, or you're so thick that you really shouldn;'t be allowed to participate in debates.
 
Jazzz once again your thoughts on the material in my post 283, a direct rebuttal of your post 281?
 
bluestreak said:
That is the either the most blatant piece of misrepresentation I've seen on here since O'Lynch was given his papers, or you're so thick that you really shouldn;'t be allowed to participate in debates.

Jesus fucking Christ on a moped.

What the fuck has this place become? I mean, what sort of a cunts paradise is this? :confused:

Did you read that piece of shit the editor posted?

That such a pile of wank is even posted is bad enough, without brown-nosed idiots like you leaping to his defence.

Perhaps you're right - I shouldn't be 'allowed' to participate in what passes for 'debate' around here. It would certainly improve the quality of my life if I didn't have the opportunity to read half the twadge that gets post here by plebs such as yourself. :)

While I'm at it... It never ceases to amaze me how vehement the Hopkin-esque trials anyone questioning the lies surrounding 9/11 or similar events are subjected to are on this board.

In 'meatspace', and elsewhere on the internet, people seem to split into two broad camps:

Those that hold the opinion that there is something deeply suspicious about the whole affair that suggests at least complicity by members of the 'Ruling Elite', if not outright culpability, and;

Those who say things like 'What do you mean, three buildings collapsed?'... etc. indicating no awareness of actual events.

For years I've watched as those posters in the first camp have been systematically exorcised from this site, while the inane idiocy and cretinous babbling of the latter is encouraged, lionized and applauded.

It's deeply saddening. Akin to watching a driverless bus load of kids with learning disabilities careering towards a brick wall, while it occurs to none of them to hit the brakes, preferring to look out the window at the 'Celebrity Big Brother', kitten and wanking threads.

The really pitiable thing is that when you hit the wall and wake up in the Gulag State, most of you won't have the faintest idea how you even got there. :(

These 'Global Elites' don't give a fuck about you. They think nothing of lying, murdering and abusing you to gain their objectives. They can callously murder 3000 in New York just as easily as they can murder a million plus in Iraq and elsewhere. Nothing is unthinkable.

Yet from our 'safe', warm, comfortable, well fed, broadband-enabled existences it's hard to see through all the distracting images pouring out of the tube and the glittering, shiny techno-cornucopia of aspirational bilge that is flicking past the windows with increasing speed...

Much as we might like to pretend it isn't so, there is truth in the words of HST when he pointed at the 'Big Dark, Coming Soon'.

Well, whatever. Enjoy the wall.

-

Now that you've purged DrRingDing from these pages, I'd feel I should perhaps to take the opportunity to voice my opinion that 'BadgerKitten' and all her posts, to me at least, embody the truly myopic, naive, and frankly *stupid* worldview that I have come to associate with this forum.

I cannot begin to describe the utter disdain with which I view the attention-seeking moronicism so amply displayed by this worthless, vapid bint. It's as if the loathing I feel for such vidifeltch as 'Stars in Their Eyes' and the like has been amplified and multiplied then inflated into one gargantuan cunt-bubble of a 'look at me' entity which then exploded onto my screen, leaving it dripping with it's foul, fetid devil-jism.

You bore me shitless. Shut up.

Who else... Ahhh, yes, ButchersApron...

I won't waste too many keystrokes on this *creep* (as in 'gets banned, then creeps and toadies his way back...) other than to say that you are living proof that the ability to read does not imply an ability to learn or comprehend. :)

Which brings me to our 'Editorial' team...

As you sit there, itchy, sweaty fingers quivering in anticipation over your beloved 'ban button', perhaps you are idly wondering what's prompted this outburst...

Put simply, by posting links to hysterical, warmongering bullshit propaganda posted on 'Free Republic', you have forced my hand.

You have ultimately confirmed my view (that you have, by your many, many words and actions over the years fostered within me) that you are a truly sad, pathetic, reactionary old man who's political views and beliefs - despite the superficial resemblance to a progressive, left-leaning orthodoxy - leave me disgusted.

Oh, and get your 'hair' cut, cunt. :)
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
Jesus fucking Christ ...cunts ...piece of shit...pile of wank...brown-nosed idiots...inane idiocy...cretinous babbling...truly myopic, naive,... frankly *stupid* .... attention-seeking moronicism ...worthless, vapid bint...loathing....gargantuan cunt-bubble... foul, fetid devil-jism...truly sad, pathetic, reactionary old man ...cunt
LOL! Look at all that frothing and ranting just because people don't agree with you!

:D

*gives poor old Backatcha "I know best" Bandit a comforting pat on the head and retires quickly before the next eruption.
 
If the 'people who don't agree with me' are the sort of cunt that posts 'free republic' links, yeah, I'll 'froth and rant'.

And call them a cunt. :)
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
On re-reading, it seems rather reasonable to me.

Definitely accurate. Bro'. :)

You are desperately scrambling for a point here mate.
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
Jesus fucking Christ on a moped.

What the fuck has this place become? I mean, what sort of a cunts paradise is this?
Did you read that piece of shit the editor posted?

That such a pile of wank is even posted is bad enough, without brown-nosed idiots like you leaping to his defence.

Perhaps you're right - I shouldn't be 'allowed' to participate in what passes for 'debate' around here. It would certainly improve the quality of my life if I didn't have the opportunity to read half the twadge that gets post here by plebs such as yourself.

While I'm at it... It never ceases to amaze me how vehement the Hopkin-esque trials anyone questioning the lies surrounding 9/11 or similar events are subjected to are on this board.

In 'meatspace', and elsewhere on the internet, people seem to split into two broad camps:

Those that hold the opinion that there is something deeply suspicious about the whole affair that suggests at least complicity by members of the 'Ruling Elite', if not outright culpability, and;

Those who say things like 'What do you mean, three buildings collapsed?'... etc. indicating no awareness of actual events.

For years I've watched as those posters in the first camp have been systematically exorcised from this site, while the inane idiocy and cretinous babbling of the latter is encouraged, lionized and applauded.

It's deeply saddening. Akin to watching a driverless bus load of kids with learning disabilities careering towards a brick wall, while it occurs to none of them to hit the brakes, preferring to look out the window at the 'Celebrity Big Brother', kitten and wanking threads.

The really pitiable thing is that when you hit the wall and wake up in the Gulag State, most of you won't have the faintest idea how you even got there. :(

These 'Global Elites' don't give a fuck about you. They think nothing of lying, murdering and abusing you to gain their objectives. They can callously murder 3000 in New York just as easily as they can murder a million plus in Iraq and elsewhere. Nothing is unthinkable.

Yet from our 'safe', warm, comfortable, well fed, broadband-enabled existences it's hard to see through all the distracting images pouring out of the tube and the glittering, shiny techno-cornucopia of aspirational bilge that is flicking past the windows with increasing speed...

Much as we might like to pretend it isn't so, there is truth in the words of HST when he pointed at the 'Big Dark, Coming Soon'.

Well, whatever. Enjoy the wall.

-

Now that you've purged DrRingDing from these pages, I'd feel I should perhaps to take the opportunity to voice my opinion that 'BadgerKitten' and all her posts, to me at least, embody the truly myopic, naive, and frankly *stupid* worldview that I have come to associate with this forum.

I cannot begin to describe the utter disdain with which I view the attention-seeking moronicism so amply displayed by this worthless, vapid bint. It's as if the loathing I feel for such vidifeltch as 'Stars in Their Eyes' and the like has been amplified and multiplied then inflated into one gargantuan cunt-bubble of a 'look at me' entity which then exploded onto my screen, leaving it dripping with it's foul, fetid devil-jism.

You bore me shitless. Shut up.

Who else... Ahhh, yes, ButchersApron...

I won't waste too many keystrokes on this *creep* (as in 'gets banned, then creeps and toadies his way back...) other than to say that you are living proof that the ability to read does not imply an ability to learn or comprehend. :)

Which brings me to our 'Editorial' team...

As you sit there, itchy, sweaty fingers quivering in anticipation over your beloved 'ban button', perhaps you are idly wondering what's prompted this outburst...

Put simply, by posting links to hysterical, warmongering bullshit propaganda posted on 'Free Republic', you have forced my hand.

You have ultimately confirmed my view (that you have, by your many, many words and actions over the years fostered within me) that you are a truly sad, pathetic, reactionary old man who's political views and beliefs - despite the superficial resemblance to a progressive, left-leaning orthodoxy - leave me disgusted.

Oh, and get your 'hair' cut, cunt. :)

:)
 

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Jazzz said:
However I'm well aware of your capacity to create trouble and then play the victim and lie through your teeth about it all. No wonder there are so many who hate your guts.

I can never understand how people can direct such strong emotions like hatred towards people they've probably never even met in real life. This is coming across as pretty nasty, vitrolic stuff and seems entirely uneccessary here.

Oh, and what has happened to RingDing's thread? He started it with such good intentions too. :D
 
Bob_the_lost said:
You are deeply myopic aren't you.
That's original. If you wish to insult me, at least have the decency to try and think of a word or phrase that you haven't *just learned* from reading my post. If you can't manage that, at least punctuate your pathetic rhetorical question properly.

You're just dribbling on the window, aren't you? :rolleyes:

8den said:
You are desperately scrambling for a point here mate.
I've made my point. I think you're desperately scrambling for a comeback.

Thanks for taking the time to help explain what sort of a 'Cunts Paradise' this is, though. :)
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
That's original. If you wish to insult me, at least have the decency to try and think of a word or phrase that you haven't *just learned* from reading my post.

He's not just the only one clever enough to see the truth about what's really happening in the world, he's the only one who knows the English language! :D
 
Jazzz said:
Oh dear, I think it says a lot about you that you saw fit to drag this up again BK. I'm surprised at you.

Jesus fucking hell I didn;t bring it up. Butchers Apron brought it up and asked for clarification, which you could clearly see if you read the thread . I have never mentioned it before, unlike you, who drags it up all the damn time


However I'm well aware of your capacity to create trouble and then play the victim and lie through your teeth about it all. No wonder there are so many who hate your guts.

What? Piss off with your personal attacks, please. 'Play the victim'? 'Lie'? And stop projecting your shit onto me. That comment says more about you than it does about me.

I've already exposed that
.

No, you've misrepresented, shitstirred and twisted, as you typically do.
I can prove that I had a several month's worth of stupid emails & comments from conspiraloons in 2005 who read my personal blog and sent me conspiraloon comments. Finally on 1st Jan 2006 I decided to challenge them in a puzzled, angry blog post. I have continued to speak out because I think CTs are not just offensive, but dangerous. I can't be bothered to explain why to you, here, now as it would be a waste of my time.

Since then, the Uk 9/11 Truth Movement and the 7/7 conspiracy theorists have attacked me and called me a liar, a bitch, a Jewish Zionist, a shill, COINTELPRO and all the rest of their bollocks, because I have publicly challenged the distasteful and fact-free and distressing crap they come out with about 7/7, such as them claiming the bus that exploded was 'pyrotechnics', the people injured 'actors and stuntmen', the bombers 'patsies' and 'innocent' and that there is no such thing as Islamist extremism and the British jihadi network. For saying this I get abuse ( like off you today) and sometimes threats. A few weeks ago there was an attempt to publish my home address on a busy conspiraloon board, along with the allegation that my husband was an Israeli and a Zionist and a threat to 'pop round'. You wonder why I dislike these people?

You know very little Jazzz, and being called a 'conspiraloon' is pretty tame given what I get called by these sickoes.



unfortunately you forgot (I hadn't) that you had posted at the time, right here on urban75




Now when s** was persecuted on here - her treatment was quite abominable - she was trying to work out where it had all come from, trying to make some sense out of it. I told her that I'd received a pm showing that there was gossip that she'd come here to stalk you - although there was of course absolutely no reason to assume this. So she concluded that had sprung from you, and hence the rest of it.

It did not come from me. Okay? Okay.

The woman joined u75, went on about Stockwell, sent me numerous PMs, at a time when I was getting numerous PMs. I sent her a PM back, a supportive general one, though I had doubts about her story - which I never mentioned to anyone. She then joined another board where I post and emailed me using my address there. I never said anything about this. I was shocked to get an email from her threatening legal action, which never materialised. She was attempting to bully me into supporting her, and for some reason blamed me for u75's opinion of her and her subsequent banning. She was also threatening the editor. Fo rsome reason she thought I was a mod. I had nothing to do with the decision to ban her. It might surprise you, but my interest in her was not very high, I was selfishly more concerned with the bomb of 2 weeks ago and the people who had been injured and traumatised on 7/7 around me than with her: I had a pretty narrow focus at the time and mischief making on urban was not on my mind.

That might shock you but people who have just been through something major can be fairly narrowly-focussed afterwards and I simply did not want to get involved with her because I had my own shit going on. I did not trust my own judgement and decided there were other people who could help her better than me.

I missed all her previous history, the faked suicide attempt etc because I wasn't on urban at the time. It was that, apparently, that other posters remembered and that was probably why they went off at her.

I have to say I thought she had overreacted there but reading your post now I think she was utterly correct. If you had concerns about her story, why didn't you simply ask her? Why would it have 'embarrassed her'? Because we can now be quite sure that you told others about your concerns. And in fact it's clear that your mind was completely made up about it. And hence a train of gossip took hold which proved unstoppable, which she was given no chance to answer.

I did have concerns about her story but I did not want to get involved with her and I did not mention it to her. I had just been blown up 2 weeks previously, had a lot on my plate, and I simply did not feel up to getting involved with someone whose story seemed to me to be slightly dodgy - I checked with my friend who manages a London Branch of Victim Support about the Victim Support details she gave, for example - and they weren't correct. However, Sue did seem distressed. I didn't know what was going on. So I judged it best to just leave it, and I have never mentioned it since. She was clearly trying to pull me in and I just didn't want to get involved. I had enough on my plate and I was involved with lots of 7/7 survivors and what could I do for her? She said she was getting counselling. Fine. There was nothing I could do for her and whatever was going on, it was none of my business. I resent you, and her, trying to involve me in it - then and now.I can't believe that the woman was still going on about it this summer when the stalker got sent to prison. Still claiming I was a mod. Still claiming lawyers ahd been involved. All rubbish.


At the time it seemed her story was unusual because she reported hearing 'at least ten shots', when the rest of the media said five. Yet, she was proved correct. Stobart Spotter claimed that her story must be made up because she thought the IPCC didn't give out copies of statements. Yet, she was proved correct, and indeed the Guardian interviewed her and saw her copy statement. Others doubted her because the IPCC cast doubt about her account of the layout of Stockwell Station. Yet, again she was proved correct in every detail.

The fact that her story worked later means my judgement was right in not getting involved and not voicing my concerns, doesn't it? If someone approaches you with a story and you have your doubts, but you are aware that your own shocked state is likely affecting your judgement and you could do yourself and them more harm than good by getting involved when you have little resource to give, then the best thing is not to get involved. She said she was getting counselling, so she was dealing with it in her own way.


Why didn't you simply ask her about this TIR nonsense? I am sure I could ask her for you and clear that up if you wished to do that, rather than indulge yourself in further smearing.

I asked Victim Support, and Jazz, she is,and was, for the nth time, not my friend, not my acquaintance, not my problem, especially not then. I do not owe everyone who has ever been traumatised hours of my time. I do what I can. I cannot help everyone.
Just because you had one stalker you shouldn't flatter yourself that everyone is. Your gossip caused a traumatised woman a load of distress. Imagine if you were called a liar for your story and banned without a chance to answer back!

This is just foul and I do not see why I caused that woman any distress since I never, ever, said anything to her about doubting her story - nor did I to anyone else - I just didn't get involved. I am not responsible for what others thought of her. I just refused to champion her as you and she seemed to want: which was fair enough given my doubts, her state, and my state at the time.

You are using her to stir up trouble and to get at me and others on the boards, and I wish you would stop.
 
I'm seeing childish petulant behaviour from nearly everyone in the last couple of pages. It staggers me. Grow the fuck up.
 
Cyril Sneer said:
*relaxes back in armchair*

*sits bolt upright, eyes bulging*


Free Republic!!!?? :eek: :eek: :(
Indeed. Editor - if you're going to jump on your opponents when they link to disreputable sites, then expect the same back when you link to freerepublic.
 
Crispy said:
Indeed. Editor - if you're going to jump on your opponents when they link to disreputable sites, then expect the same back when you link to freerepublic.
Far from linking to that site claiming it was absolute 'proof' of some fuckwit theory or another or parading it as a credible source, I posted it up for discussion, including a very clear disclaimer that it might "all be bollocks."

I expected better from you, Crispy. Try reading what I wrote before wading in and stirring the post further.
 
editor said:
Far from linking to that site claiming it was absolute 'proof' of some fuckwit theory or another or parading it as a credible source, I posted it up for discussion, including a very clear disclaimer that it might "all be bollocks."

I expected better from you, Crispy. Try reading what I wrote before wading in and stirring the post further.
I'm not saying you believed it - but it's a reaction you should have expected.
 
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