Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job

[Lock&Light]

What on earth are you talking about? This claim [that a former president has said as such] has been completely backed up.

No Jazzz. Even if it were to be proved that the twat said that, it still doesn't back up the claim.

 

[Jazzz]

That sentence is not connected with actual arguments, please rephrase.

Well I've just checked the first two pages of thread.

The 'arguments' offered against the conspiracy line numbered two: one, that the source was unreliable, the implication being that there was little reason to believe that Cossiga had said what he did. The other argument, offered by GLC and maybe one other, was that Cossiga's words were anti-zionist, and quite what follows from that I'm not sure.

No-one suggested 'so what if he said that?'. That argument has only crept in now, once I had cleared up the question of whether the report was true or not.

Seeing as you won't offer an explanation for that, I will. As editor and maybe others have noted, it does not obviously follow that because a politician has said something one should believe it. However when former Heads of State are claiming such things, there can be no question that they must be considered with some seriousness and they cannot be derided as some madcap 'conspiracy theory'.

That's why posters on this thread were quite vociferous in making out that Cossiga hadn't said what he did. If 'so what?' - being used here simply as an argument of last resort, a 'finger in the ears' - actually held any water, there would have been no need for the source-doubting.

 

[Lock&Light]

Dear Jazzz

I didn't ask you personally to ask a busy friend with a child to translate the article. I asked if anyone reading could come to the thread and have a look.

I doubt you asked them to do it because you were terribly anxious that Badger Kitten should not be disappointed in having a translation of the article immediately. I think it more likely that you asked your friend ( whom you describe, from memory as being sympathetic to ''9/11 Truth'') to look at it because you yourself wanted to participate on the thread. Perhaps I am uncharitable.

However, please pass on my regards to your pal

Regards

BK

Nice one, BK.

 

[Lock&Light]

Though admittedly, according to current translations, he's not also claiming to be the Messiah.

He wouldn't want to get in Jazzz's way.

 

[Jazzz]

Oh look, Lock&Light's here everyone.

 

[Lock&Light]

because I can promise you that if you hadn't been insinuating that the article didn't say what it was meant to, there's no way I would have bothered hassling a very busy friend. So yes, I did it for you.

I've never disliked you, Jazzz, for your beliefs, but once again you given me cause to dislike you for your behaviour.

BK was by no means the only one who wanted an accurate translation. Picking on her, as you have, is only, for me, more proof that you can't accept that your theories are flawed.

 

[Lock&Light]

Why did you doubt that Cossiga said what he did?

It's possible, Jazzz, to accept that Cossiga said what he said, without having to believe it.

 

[editor]

However when former Heads of State are claiming such things, there can be no question that they must be considered with some seriousness and they cannot be derided as some madcap 'conspiracy theory'.

1. A former head of state. Not plural. Not more than one.
2. It can only be considered with some seriousness when some credible evidence is produced, unless you want to blindly accept a dislodged politician's words, of course. The 79 year old Cossiga hasn't been a head of state for 15 years, btw.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Cossiga

 

[Lock&Light]

It's over. FM has just perma-banned him for "consistent abuse."

For the second time in a week, I have to say, "Well done, FM".

I might have to start liking him again soon.

 

[Lock&Light]

Oh look, Lock&Light's here everyone.

Come on, Jazzz.!

Are you really THAT desperate?

 

[Jazzz]

1. A former head of state. Not plural. Not more than one.

My comment was perfectly accurate; the plural refers to the category whether it be one or many. That's why you can't say 'when former head of state is saying such and such'.

2. It can only be considered with some seriousness when some credible evidence is produced, unless you want to blindly accept a dislodged politician's words, of course.

Nope - you are dodging. One simply cannot dismiss a former Head of State as being some zany 'conspiracy theorist', and I think you know it. One should note, of course, that being a 'former' Head of State, gives him the freedom to say things which might otherwise result in his ejection.

Perhaps when you can produce some really good hard evidence (e.g. phone calls are not hard evidence) for the official theory, I'll take it on board.

 

[Jazzz]

BK was by no means the only one who wanted an accurate translation. Picking on her, as you have, is only, for me, more proof that you can't accept that your theories are flawed.

BK should take it as a compliment that I was bothered with her.

 

[butchersapron]

BK should take it as a compliment that I was bothered with her.

Was Sue T+++++ happy that you were bothered with her?

(editor: name removed because I can't be arsed in having that woman sending me any more slightly unhinged emails)

 

[Jazzz]

Was Sue ---- happy that you were bothered with her?

I fail to see what you are getting at, but yes, she considered that I helped her enormously, after her treatment here she needed extra therapy to get over not only being involved in a traumatic incident but having her account doubted. I'm glad to say she recovered fully, and with a well-earned disdain for this website.

 

[butchersapron]

I fail to see what you are getting at, but yes, she considered that I helped her enormously, after her treatment here she needed extra therapy to get over not only being involved in a traumatic incident but having her account doubted.

Oh sorry, which one was it that needed lawyers letters to get rid of you?

 

[editor]

Nope - you are dodging. One simply cannot dismiss a former Head of State as being some zany 'conspiracy theorist', and I think you know it. One should note, of course, that being a 'former' Head of State, gives him the freedom to say things which might otherwise result in his ejection.

He hasn't been a head of state for over 15 years.
He hasn't a scrap of collaborative evidence to back up his singular claims.
So remind me why I should believe them?

 

[Jazzz]

Oh sorry, which one was it that needed lawyers letters to get rid of you?

What on earth are you blabbering about now? I think you have your wires seriously crossed. Perhaps you should consider whether you want to piss around with further libellous posts.

I expect an apology.

 

[butchersapron]

Nope - you are dodging. One simply cannot dismiss a former Head of State as being some zany 'conspiracy theorist', and I think you know it. One should note, of course, that being a 'former' Head of State, gives him the freedom to say things which might otherwise result in his ejection.

Perhaps when you can produce some really good hard evidence (e.g. phone calls are not hard evidence) for the official theory, I'll take it on board.

One can if one knows Cossiga or Italy. Go to your booksheelf and look up his name, P2 and Gladio and tell he he's a serious source. (A source for what anyway?)

 

[editor]

I'm glad to say she recovered fully, and with a well-earned disdain for this website.

Feeling's mutual.

*shudders at the memory

 

[butchersapron]

What on earth are you blabbering about now? I think you have your wires seriously crossed. Perhaps you should consider whether you want to piss around with further libellous posts.

Yes, i'm sure that you have no idea what i'm on about.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh hang on, it was BK who Jazzz incited sue t---- to write letters to that needed a legal intervention isn't it? Creepy?

 

[butchersapron]

What on earth are you blabbering about now? I think you have your wires seriously crossed. Perhaps you should consider whether you want to piss around with further libellous posts.

I expect an apology.

Not happening. Keep watching.

 

[Jazzz]

Oh hang on, it was BK who Jazzz incited sue thomason to write letters to that needed a legal intervention isn't it? Creepy?

To set your smears straight I have never been involved with any legal dispute concerning Urban75 nor have I 'incited' any such thing.

I don't think you have a fucking clue about the Sue T---- story, and if there's one thing about it I'd hope the moderators here would agree with me on, it's that you shouldn't be dragging it up from your position of third-hand gossip.

 

[butchersapron]

To set your smears straight I have never been involved with any legal dispute concerning Urban75 nor have I 'incited' any such thing.

I don't think you have a fucking clue about the Sue ****** story, and if there's one thing about it I'd hope the moderators here would agree with me on, it's that you shouldn't be dragging it up from your position of third-hand gossip.

You have no idea what i'm on about? Really? Would be a bit shit if you turned around later and went 'oh yeah, that stuff...' -

 

[Jazzz]

He hasn't been a head of state for over 15 years.
He hasn't a scrap of collaborative evidence to back up his singular claims.
So remind me why I should believe them?

Are you blind? I never said you should believe them.

 

[Lock&Light]

BK should take it as a compliment that I was bothered with her.

That's the kind of thing an unrepentant rapist might say.

 

[Jazzz]

You have no idea what i'm on about? Reallt? Would be a bit shit if you turned around later and went 'oh yeah, that stuff...' -

I think you should stop posting.

 

[Jazzz]

That's the kind of thing an unrepentant rapist might say.

I see we are plumbing new depths by the moment. Post reported

 

[butchersapron]

I think you should stop posting.

I bet you do. I'm happy to sit and wait for a few hours.

 

[Lock&Light]

I see we are plumbing new depths by the moment. Post reported

You are indeed desperate. Why not stick to what you're good at. Piano playing, for example?