9/11 a conspiracy?

[fela fan]

Infer what the hell you like from it. What i can prove is that Jazzz does not research his links and statements consistently or with any hint of a critical eye.

You can also find out that nearly all of his threads match up with threads posted on one of the major conspiraloon boards and "annoucements" on that board. Fancy doing your own research?

From saying jazzz does no research, you now say he doesn't research 'consistently'.

That is a major shift of position, and confirms my point. My inference was obviously spot on. Now, do what you say you can, and prove it.

Secondly, i've personally done shedloads of research on 911.

 

[Lock&Light]

Secondly, i've personally done shedloads of research on 911.

That's right. You've talked to literally tens of tourists in Thailand.

 

[editor]

Secondly, i've personally done shedloads of research on 911.

So what's your considered and well researched opinion on the Protec report?

 

[fela fan]

So what's your considered and well researched opinion on the Protec report?

It's an internet report. By people who go to great lengths to try and gain credibility from their readers.

And internet reports are something you seem to disparage when it suits you, and use to back up your points when it suits you.

In any case, here's yet another sleight of hand by the editor. I said i'd done loads of research, but if it happens that i haven't 'researched' the protec report, then editor declares i've not done lots of research. Amazing. Incidentally, what you really mean is what is my opinion on the protec report if i've READ it.

Eels have more grip than you.

 

[editor]

It's an internet report. By people who go to great lengths to try and gain credibility from their readers.

No, it's actually written by some of the world's leading demolition experts who are extremely qualified in their craft. They know more than a thousand conspiraloon sites, so a real truth seeker should be sure to carefully consider their opinion.

So after you've comprehensively researched their expert analysis, what's your opinion? Or do you just ignore the stuff that doesn't fit your particular version of events?

 

[Tom A]

No, it's actually written by some of the world's leading demolition experts who are extremely qualified in their craft. They know more than a thousand conspiraloon sites, so a real truth seeker should be sure to carefully consider their opinion.

So after you've comprehensively researched their expert analysis, what's your opinion? Or do you just ignore the stuff that doesn't fit your particular version of events?

Ah yes, but all those "world's leading demolition experts" are secretly under the control of the Illuminanti, don't y'know.

 

[editor]

Eels have more grip than you.

Although they do not possess fangs or venom as previously thought, their muscular jaws are equipped with strong, sharp teeth that enable them to seize and hold on to their prey...
Without apparent provocation, the eel seized the volar aspect of the diver's right forearm tightly. The diver made an unsuccessful attempt to summon the attention of his diving group before inflating his buoyancy device and making an emergency uncontrolled ascent to the surface. The eel eventually released its grip at a depth of 15 m
http://www.wemjournal.org/wmsonline...&issn=1080-6032&issue=03&volume=015&page=0194

 

[Bob_the_lost]

From saying jazzz does no research, you now say he doesn't research 'consistently'.

No i didn't, read the post, not what you think the post should say. It really would help if you stopped assuming things and started reading things.

Reguritating crap from prisonplanet is not research. It takes more time to prove his lies wrong than it does to find them. Therefore it is logical to say that i and the others that do take the time to correct him spend more time researching 911 than he does.

You can spend as much time reading as you like, thing is you dont' seem to be able to process it. You're going to take it as a personal attack but for all the research you've done you dont' seem to have learnt much. As such the role of investigator might not be the best for you, dogged determination is not all it takes.

 

[fela fan]

So after you've comprehensively researched their expert analysis, what's your opinion? Or do you just ignore the stuff that doesn't fit your particular version of events?

By the very asking of that last question just shows that this is indeed the sort of thing you do. And i know that you do this anyway. You've hardly bothered reading anything off the cooperativeresearch website i've consistently linked to over the last few years. That is just one example.

The two things that came to mind were: they went to great lengths to establish their credibility, and what they said seemed more than plausible to me, a total non-expert on explosives and demolitions.

 

[fela fan]

No, it's actually written by some of the world's leading demolition experts who are extremely qualified in their craft. They know more than a thousand conspiraloon sites, so a real truth seeker should be sure to carefully consider their opinion.

Now, i shall pull this to pieces, to shreds.

Not 'no', yes. Yes, it was an internet report. Whatever their credentials it has no effect on where they wrote it.

How do you know they are 'some of the world's leading demolition experts'? 'Some'? 'Leading'? And how do you know to what degree they are qualified in their 'craft'? How 'extremely' is extremely? Yet again you go into overdrive in using adverbs and adjectives to try and ram your point home. Using adjectives conveys conjecture and subjectivity, not fact.

How do you know how many 'conspiraloon' sites they know? Where did this figure 1000 come from? Editor's ether?

What a load of bullshit you come out with sometimes mate.

 

[fela fan]

No i didn't, read the post, not what you think the post should say. It really would help if you stopped assuming things and started reading things.

Reguritating crap from prisonplanet is not research. It takes more time to prove his lies wrong than it does to find them. Therefore it is logical to say that i and the others that do take the time to correct him spend more time researching 911 than he does.

You can spend as much time reading as you like, thing is you dont' seem to be able to process it. You're going to take it as a personal attack but for all the research you've done you dont' seem to have learnt much. As such the role of investigator might not be the best for you, dogged determination is not all it takes.

Another post littered with bullshit. Before i pull this to pieces too, let me say bob that there's nothing personal, i don't care, i don't know you mate. But if you speak shit, i have to call it...

I read the post, and i know what you said.

You firstly said he'd done no research. I said he'd done loads. You said reading prison planet was not research. When i challenged this, you then started qualifying things: "What i can prove is that Jazzz does not research his links and statements consistently or with any hint of a critical eye."

So from no research to only prison planet, to your proof that, yes he does do more research than prison planet but that he does it in a faulty way somehow.

I can read bob.

As for my own research, i've read loads on the topic over the years, even about stuff well before 911 which is relevant, and of course i've processed what i've read. It's my job bob to read and process, to objectify, to subjectify, to analyse, to summarise, to paraphrase, to select, to reflect, to guide, and so on. Basically mate, i'm an academic, weird as that sounds to me. And so far as i'm concerned, the most important quality of such people is to listen and read actively and with due diligence.

I grant you that you said 'seems', but i'm basically putting you right. Your call on whether to argue this or accept what i say in good faith.

 

[tarannau]

. Basically mate, i'm an academic, weird as that sounds to me. And so far as i'm concerned, the most important quality of such people is to listen and read actively and with due diligence.

I grant you that you said 'seems', but i'm basically putting you right. Your call on whether to argue this or accept what i say in good faith.

You're a shit academic if you accept Prison Planet as a credible source though - experience of numpty link after link should tell you that.

Still, I love your description of yourself as an academic. IIRC you're a TEFL tutor who once (chortle) described himself as a professional linguist or similar which, whilst you could concede has some notion of accuracy, is somewhat akin to a dustman insisting on being called a refuse disposal engineer.

 

[MikeMcc]

Now, i shall pull this to pieces, to shreds.

Not 'no', yes. Yes, it was an internet report. Whatever their credentials it has no effect on where they wrote it.

How do you know they are 'some of the world's leading demolition experts'? 'Some'? 'Leading'? And how do you know to what degree they are qualified in their 'craft'? How 'extremely' is extremely? Yet again you go into overdrive in using adverbs and adjectives to try and ram your point home. Using adjectives conveys conjecture and subjectivity, not fact.

How do you know how many 'conspiraloon' sites they know? Where did this figure 1000 come from? Editor's ether?

What a load of bullshit you come out with sometimes mate.

To reverse your arguement, what makes you think Protec are not exactly what they say they are? As far as I am aware no-one has challenged their credentials as a firm that advises demolition companies on best practice.

 

[tarannau]

He's an 'academic' who seems to specialise in glossing over credible reports in favour of highlighting shakily put together nobuments on the same selection of conspiracy-favouring sites favoured by 9-11 obsessives. Oh, and somebody who tends to prioritise their own instincts and shaky 'research' over expert witnesses and testimony.

It's not exactly a credible approach is it?

 

[editor]

How do you know they are 'some of the world's leading demolition experts'? 'Some'? 'Leading'? And how do you know to what degree they are qualified in their 'craft'?

You can't help admire the depth of fela's "shedloads of research on 911."

He hasn't read the Protec report despite it being brought up time and time again here as an important document. He hasn't researched anything about the company. But he has spoken to a few random strangers on holiday, and thinks that Prison Planet is a credible source.

Way to go, truthseeker!

 

[fela fan]

You're a shit academic if you accept Prison Planet as a credible source though - experience of numpty link after link should tell you that.

Still, I love your description of yourself as an academic. IIRC you're a TEFL tutor who once (chortle) described himself as a professional linguist or similar which, whilst you could concede has some notion of accuracy, is somewhat akin to a dustman insisting on being called a refuse disposal engineer.

I've never even seen prison planet. Wonder what made you think i accepted something i've never looked at.

It would seem that you recall incorrectly tarannau.

But being the stupid fucker you are, all you can do is spend futile time attempting to analyse someone you know nothing of, not even their name. And getting in really all wrong.

(chortle). Chortle eh? yer a loser mate. Nothing else to say really.

 

[fela fan]

He's an 'academic' who seems to specialise in glossing over credible reports in favour of highlighting shakily put together nobuments on the same selection of conspiracy-favouring sites favoured by 9-11 obsessives. Oh, and somebody who tends to prioritise their own instincts and shaky 'research' over expert witnesses and testimony.

It's not exactly a credible approach is it?

Now then, care to give examples of these "shakily put together nobuments on the same selection of conspiracy-favouring sites favoured by 9-11 obsessives" that i've 'specialised' in??

Of course you can't, you're just wading through bullshit. Go on, tell us which website i specialise in tarannau. You don't even know one, do you?

Very poor form. Your recollection is shit, and your rhetoric is bullshit.

 

[fela fan]

You can't help admire the depth of fela's "shedloads of research on 911."

He hasn't read the Protec report despite it being brought up time and time again here as an important document. He hasn't researched anything about the company. But he has spoken to a few random strangers on holiday, and thinks that Prison Planet is a credible source.

Way to go, truthseeker!

Another post by the editor that is replete with lies and bullshit.

I've read the protec report, and said this many times. How you think you know i haven't is amazing.

It's importance is arguable, but it's noteworthy that it's an internet report, something you frequently say is unacceptable.

Why should i research anything about the company? I don't give a fig about whether there were explosives or not, and i just cannot accept that the towers were brought down. So i just don't care about this aspect of 911.

Care to tell me where you got the idea that i thought prison planet was a credible source, when i've never set eyes on the fucking website?

You're full of fucking hot air editor. You frequently and blatantly lie about me, and at other times you simply get it all spectacularly wrong, as this post illustrates.

 

[editor]

It's importance is arguable, but it's noteworthy that it's an internet report, something you frequently say is unacceptable.

Really? And I made no mention of the quality and credibility of the source? Perhaps you should post up a source for that quote, if you please?

Care to tell me where you got the idea that i thought prison planet was a credible source, when i've never set eyes on the fucking website?

Well here you are, warmly brown nosing and applauding Jazzz for his prison-planet based 'research', and throwing in more of your moronic personal abuse for good measure: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4590965&postcount=105

Pwned!

 

[fela fan]

Well here you are, warmly brown nosing and applauding Jazzz for his prison-planet based 'research', and throwing in more of your moronic personal abuse for good measure: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4590965&postcount=105

Pwned!

You what??? Are you for real? Are you pissed this early in the day? You bring up a post of mine a year old, and it has nothing by me about prison planet? I've never even seen the bloody site, and now i notice you've completely shifted your position.

Moronic personal abuse?? No mate, i'm simply countering the blatant lies you are indlulging in over me. You LIE about me editor. It's as simple as that.

 

[editor]

Moronic personal abuse?? No mate, i'm simply countering the blatant lies you are indlulging in over me. You LIE about me editor. It's as simple as that.

In your post you are warmly - and abusively - congratulating Jazzz for his 'expose' of me. That (guffaw) 'expose' is based on his PrisonPlanet based research.

The facts are there for all to see, and no amount of personal abuse from you will alter that fact.

Oh, and I suggest you calm down a little bit, son.

 

[tarannau]

Really Fela, I've seen some mealy-mouthed nonsense trying to wheedle off on a techicality in a time, but that's a cracker. So, if any is needed, I apologise for suggesting that you occasionally use Prison Planet as a source. Instead, it seems, you allow other people to read Prison Planet on your behalf and warmily praise their 'research' without ever bothering to check their original and stated source. It's the kind of thorough methodology and approach I've come to expect from you.

What kind of an academic are you then btw?

 

[Dubversion]

Hey Fela - you could just, like, y'know, fuck off

 

[fela fan]

In your post you are warmly - and abusively - congratulating Jazzz for his 'expose' of me. That (guffaw) 'expose' is based on his PrisonPlanet based research.

The facts are there for all to see, and no amount of personal abuse from you will alter that fact.

Oh, and I suggest you calm down a little bit, son.

Show me any personal abuse i've levelled at you editor. Or is this another slander?

As for being calm, i think i'm plenty calm compared to how you'd be if you were at the end of a whole heap of lies and misrepresntations.

More adverbs, warmly, abusively. How can someone 'abusively' congratulate someone?

Anyway, that post is from a year ago, and is isolated. It's been decontextualised, so it's worth nowt.

 

[fela fan]

What kind of an academic are you then btw?

There are different kinds then are there?

 

[editor]

Show me any personal abuse i've levelled at you editor. Or is this another slander?

I know the concept of research is an alien one to you, but you really should try it.

Maybe it'll help your bizarre selective amnesia.

 

[fela fan]

I know the concept of research is an alien one to you, but you really should try it.

Maybe it'll help your bizarre selective amnesia.

Another lie. Two of them.

I do research virtually every working day of my life. So how could something i do almost daily be alien to me?? Weird huh.

As for research specifically on 911, i've done plenty of it. Not just about the events themselves, but about american politics in general, about the psychology of the human brain, and about the psychology of power and the politics of power. So i've managed to place 911 within the whole geopolitical context, enhanced by various other strands of human behaviour and human actions.

So you see editor, you're just talking nonsense.

I may have amnesia, sign of getting old, but it's not selective. That again is a comment designed to attack the debater. If i could select anything about forgetfullness, it would be to forget nothing.

 

[editor]

As for research specifically on 911, i've done plenty of it. Not just about the events themselves, but about american politics in general, about the psychology of the human brain, and about the psychology of power and the politics of power. So i've managed to place 911 within the whole geopolitical context, enhanced by various other strands of human behaviour and human actions.

Ooops! My bullshit-o-meter seems to have overloaded after that last pile of ludicrously pompous drivel from you.

What's your qualifications in psychology, oh master?

 

[Structaural]

As for research specifically on 911, i've done plenty of it. Not just about the events themselves, but about american politics in general, about the psychology of the human brain, and about the psychology of power and the politics of power. So i've managed to place 911 within the whole geopolitical context, enhanced by various other strands of human behaviour and human actions.

I bet your looking forward to Icke's book on 911 so you can do further 'research'.

You do realise almost every one of your posts is about yourself, why don't you go write a blog or something, call it the Calmness of Fela the Professor?

 

[tarannau]

Congrats Fela, that's the biggest pile of self-aggrandising wank I've heard in a long time.