'9/11 Truth Movement' and Academia

[Dillinger4]

who dreamt up the idea?? i want names

Don't you have a bullshit thread to start, somewhere?

 

[jonH]

who do you think originally came up with the idea for 9/11?

 

[Dillinger4]

who do you think originally came up with the idea for 9/11?

I don't know. You tell me.

 

[jonH]

Someone from Rand?

 

[Dillinger4]

Someone from Rand?

Yeh?

 

[Dillinger4]

And where is this coming from?

You just decided to make it up?

 

[jonH]

Yeh?

I don't know, but suspect it was a very powerful and sick person. They could, therefore, easily have been American.

 

[Dillinger4]

I don't know, but suspect it was a very powerful and sick person. They could, therefore, easily have been American.

Well done. You just solved 9/11. I will pass on the truth to everyone I know.

 

[jonH]

Well done. You just solved 9/11. I will pass on the truth to everyone I know.

No don't do that, just don't believe everything you're fed. There are some very sick people in the states that think nothing of destroying whole nations and their peoples, two office blocks is really nothing in comparison. I don't mean to insult you, it's just so easy to be cheated these days.

 

[Demosthenes]

To generate the imagery of the planes hitting in real time is impractical in the extreme. You don't have the background knowledge or the caring to develop it to understand why but in terms of computational power needed it would be incredible. Just C&Ping a bit of plane into the image would be a piece of cake, getting the imagery so precise that it can't be detected as a fake years afterwards is as near to impossible as i've ever heard.

If it were generated before hand then it would be impossible, yes i do mean impossible, to match it up to real time events.

Either way you've got a huge conspiracy involving every camera crew in the area.

So, there's why it'd be difficult/impossible to do.

Now, how would it be dangerous as a tactic? For a start all you'd need would be one camera showing the side the planes impacted that didn't show a plane. You'd have thousands of people who would not have seen the second plane. The conspiracy would be very large indeed, including the NIST, umpteen TV networks and all the people at the render farm that was shut down to generate the imagery.

Then again you don't care about the balance of probability, you're one of those: "But it's possible!" idiots.

But here's something for you: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q7DYJMPGQpc

Well, the clip's worth watching I reckon, I';ve seen a few different versions of those shots, as well.

The first impact. Something appears to hit the building, we're too far away to see what it is. And it's not entirely clear why the camera suddenly swings round to focus on the wtc at the opportune moment.

The second one, - I've watched that one a load of times from difficult angles.
But the plane always looked the same irrespective of the angle.

On balance, I don't think it looks like a real plane. And iirc it looks more convincing when you see it without a plane. But I'm uncertain. I could be wrong.

The eyewitness reports. Well the first one's a voice over. But the second, - well it certainly sounds like he saw the plane hit. So, on the face of it, assuming he's not lying, fairly good evidence that planes hit the towers I guess.

 

[Dillinger4]

No don't do that, just don't believe everything you're fed. There are some very sick people in the states that think nothing of destroying whole nations and their peoples, two office blocks is really nothing in comparison. I don't mean to insult you, it's just so easy to be cheated these days.

I am not believing everything I am fed. Thats why I am not going to believe a claim that 'a sick person, probably then an American from the Rand/Corporation'.

Because you have just made that up, right now.

On that same logic, it could just as well be some islamic terrorists who have been in a war for years against the soviets in Afghanistan.

 

[jonH]

probably then an American from the Rand/Corporation'.

No one knows Dillenger4, but they were certainly sick minded and powerful.

 

[Dillinger4]

No one knows Dillenger4, but they were certainly sick minded and powerful.

You seem to have some claim to know that it was an American, from Hollywood or the rand corporation.

 

[jonH]

Or Bush? Who knows and what would it matter if we did? Best just forget the whole affair.

 

[Dillinger4]

Or Bush? Who knows and what would it matter if we did? Best just forget the whole affair.

What if your mum and dad never met?

 

[Demosthenes]

Excellent. This is exactly the route Fela Fan took. Unable to prove anything, he also took to making ad hominem attacks against me.

I make no claim one way or another about 9/11.

Why can't anybody accept critical assessment of the sources they are using to make a claim to having 'the truth'.

Jesus fucking wept. Honestly.

You complain about ad hominem attacks.
What the fuck do you think it is to question someone's sanity?

I think if you look over the thread, you'll notice that you started saying I was insane quite a while before I made any attack on you.

i don't think anyone thinks that critical assessment of the sources is unimportant, except those who are certain that all the news reports are factual and beyond criticism.

 

[jonH]

What if your mum and dad never met?

What makes you forget your bliss?

 

[Dillinger4]

You complain about ad hominem attacks.
What the fuck do you think it is to question someone's sanity?

I think if you look over the thread, you'll notice that you started saying I was insane quite a while before I made any attack on you.

i don't think anyone thinks that critical assessment of the sources is unimportant, except those who are certain that all the news reports are factual and beyond criticism.

I like that you are accepting the sources that agree with your perceptions, and rejecting those that do not.

Very rigorous of you.

 

[Dillinger4]

What makes you forget your bliss?

Your posts do that for me.

 

[jonH]

Very rigorous of you.

Rigorously tell me who did it Dillinger4?

 

[jonH]

Your posts do that for me.

unsettling

 

[Dillinger4]

Rigorously tell me who did it Dillinger4?

I am not making any claims. You are. So it is up to you to justify your claims.

 

[jonH]

I am not making any claims. You are. So it is up to you to justify your claims.

my claim is that we don't know who dreamt up 9/11

 

[Dillinger4]

my claim is that we don't know who dreamt up 9/11

You just claimed it was Bush/The Rand Corporation/Hollywood/A Sick American.

Is this not true now?

 

[jonH]

I said it could have been, no one knows

 

[Dillinger4]

I said it could have been, no one knows

You certainly don't know too much.

Maybe that is a good reason for not taking your opinions very seriously.

 

[jonH]

what do you know about it?

 

[Demosthenes]

I like that you are accepting the sources that agree with your perceptions, and rejecting those that do not.

Very rigorous of you.

I think if you look over the thread, you'll notice that I've stated quite a few times that I don't have a firm view of the matter, and that that's because there seem to be a lot of contradictory sources out there.

Really, all I stated was that watching videos on youtube led me from a position of assuming that planes hit the towers, but a general agnosticism about who was responsible, to a position of wondering if in fact planes hit the towers.. and that I think it's worth looking at quite a few youtube videos.

I'm definitely more uncertain now about what happened, and I haven't seen any reason for the kind of certainty that you and the editor have.

As I don't have any knowledge of what happened, it's not possible for me to accept the sources that agree with me and reject those that don't, I just look at them all, and wonder about it.

 

[Dillinger4]

what do you know about it?

You are making a claim to not having a claim to know anything.

Thanks for your contribution. You really added a lot to the whole debate there.

 

[jonH]

You are making a claim to not having a claim to know anything.

Thanks for your contribution. You really added a lot to the whole debate there.

It's better to realise the whole thread is based on ignorance and misinformation, otherwise we might be taking ourselves a little too seriously.

Do you know who dreamt up the 9/11 attack?