CIA knew of 9/11 - told Admin - Covered Up for Inquiry

[DrRingDing]

There's nothing 'conspiraloon' about reporting the fact that US incompetence/arrogance led to them ignoring important advice, neither is there anything 'conspiraloon' about the huge ass-covering exercise that took place after 9/11.

Nothing would convince you of the US admin clique wanted a serious terrorist attack on home soil.

Not a signed confesssion.

Not even CIA piping up.

Admit it, nothing would stop your unquestioning, blinkered support for them.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

We're all their supporters here, you know.

So watch out.

 

[editor]

Nothing would convince you of the US admin clique wanted a serious terrorist attack on home soil.

Not a signed confesssion.

Not even CIA piping up.

Admit it, nothing would stop your unquestioning, blinkered support for them.

Solid evidence might be a start. And a credible source, supported by proper research would help too.

My mind's still open, but if all we've got is the near-lunatic, evidence-free ramblings of sci-fi believing, book-shifting idiots, then I won't be aligning myself to the 'Truth Seeking' nutballs just yet, thanks.

How about you?

Oh, and what do you think of Nafeez censoring all attributed comment he doesn't like on his blog, while happily publishing anonymous comments that say how great he is and how shit urban is?

 

[kyser_soze]

Nothing would convince you of the US admin clique wanted a serious terrorist attack on home soil.

Not a signed confesssion.

Not even CIA piping up.

Admit it, nothing would stop your unquestioning, blinkered support for them.

I think in your case you are the blinkered idiot here.

Besides, whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Thought that was the basis for justice? Hardly something any of you actually believe in is it?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

*runs in terror from the uncontrolled finger pointing present on thread*

 

[editor]

New York TImes (damb conspiraloons) running this story today that the CIA tried to forworn Condi of the forthcoming attacks, which she "brushed off" and now claims not to have been told about at all.

Oh, and just to correct the thread title here, the New York Times is not saying that the CIA knew of the actual attack that was going to happen on 9/11.

 

[Crispy]

*runs in terror from the uncontrolled finger pointing present on thread*

That's what you think! However, the randomly pointing fingers have a hidden agenda, and I can see the puppet strings!

 

[DrRingDing]

I think in your case you are the blinkered idiot here.

Do you or do you not work in an industry selling lies?

 

[sparticus]

Besides, whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Yeah we're still waiting for prosecutable case to be presented against bin laden for 9/11 in case you forget

Editor, care to show examples of bonkers lunacy that I have posted or linked to? Care to answer the question, do you support the 'Jersey Girls' call for a new investigation?

 

[DrRingDing]

Besides, whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

How many million deaths have the US admin been direclty responsible for in the last 50 years?

 

[DrRingDing]

....and around we go again.

 

[editor]

Editor, care to show examples of bonkers lunacy that I have posted or linked to?

Sure. How about that fruitloop 9/11 film that you <guffaw> "premiered" a while ago?

 

[editor]

Do you or do you not work in an industry selling lies?

That seems needlessly personal and somewhat irrelevant.
What's your job then?

 

[kyser_soze]

Do you or do you not work in an industry selling lies?

No, I now work for the NHS and have been out of advertising since February.

Not that makes any difference anyway - I've always maintained a degree of scepticism over the official account of 9/11 (and a quick visit to any of the 9/11 threads will confirm this). Unlike you and others however, before I categorically state 'Well yeah, obviously it was a LIHOP/yes they set demolition charges' I want to see proof that would convince me were I a juror in a court.

Which above everything else is how you're supposed to approach investigation - it's up to those investigating malfeasance to put together a case that proves both the wrongdoing and do-er beyond a reasonable doubt, and even with this 'new' evidence, quite clearly there is still a ways to go before prooving LIPHOP - and I don't even know why anyone bothers with MIHOP!

Do I imagine that some individuals in the US 'wanted' an attack to take place on US soil? Probably. Do I think that someone like Cheney or Rumsfeld would be those people? Yes. Do I think that they would directly intervene to change events? No I don't, because they were both around when Nixon got impeached and learned a VERY important lesson in plausible deniability, which is what proving anything like that will be hard.

Not so hard, if this report is true, will be prooving to a VERY pissed Congress, that the execuative failed in it's duty to protect the nation from all threats, foreign and domestic, and that's a WHOLE different ball game, and will be great fun to watch...

 

[DrRingDing]

That seems needlessly personal and somewhat irrelevant.
What's your job then?

Calling me an "idiot" was somewhat personal.

I'm currently conventionally unemployed trying to do some good in a place that sorely needs it. How saintly I know

The relevance is that who controls the media controls the mass opinion. Kysers (old) job is directly related to the propaganda machine and filters that have got the US in the position it is in now.

 

[kyser_soze]

Yeah we're still waiting for prosecutable case to be presented against bin laden for 9/11 in case you forget

Editor, care to show examples of bonkers lunacy that I have posted or linked to? Care to answer the question, do you support the 'Jersey Girls' call for a new investigation?

Well, didn't OBL release a video claiming Al-Q were responsible for 9/11 afterwards? That's a fair lump of evidence that he was involved...

How many million deaths have the US admin been direclty responsible for in the last 50 years?

Your idea of 'directly' and mine are probably two very different things, but that's beside the point. On another thread about 'Is the UK a police state' I was having a debate with Azrael about things like the right against self incrimination, double jeopardy and having previous cases bought into consideration, and how these represented an erosion of human rights etc.

And yet here we have a champion of the truth and freedom advocating PRECISELY that! Can you credit it?

Incidentally - what relevance would my old job have had on my opinions on 9/11?

Kysers job is directly related to the propaganda machine and filters that have got the US in the position it is in now.

I fucking wish - I'd have KILLED to work with Rove for a couple of years simply because he's such a damn smart operator who absolutely understands how to control communications, and I find that fascinating on a number of different levels. Nah, I was merely a media buyer on some pretty mainstream brands...

 

[DrRingDing]

Incidentally - what relevance would my old job have had on my opinions on 9/11?
...

I like you as a poster even if you are gettign considerable old and grumpy and I'm suffering from the aftermath of food poisning and the above requires a long answer, probably involving, pschology experiments, chomsky and maybe a bit of Orwell lobbed in for 'fun'.

I usually shake my head at the editor and question his integrity when he bins these threads but right now I find it difficult to care.

All the evidence is running through my head. The attrocities of the US for the sake of a good example in a country, oil and other resources. Hideous crimes commited by these men that arguably match if not exceed the excesses of Nazism.

Fuck it I'm off.

 

[editor]

The relevance is that who controls the media controls the mass opinion. Kysers (old) job is directly related to the propaganda machine and filters that have got the US in the position it is in now.

No matter how you twist it, bringing up his job remains utterly irrelevant to his opinions about 9/11 here (unless, of course, he was actively employed by the US govt to spread disinformation via that media, and I somehow guess that isn't the case).

I worked for the Home Office once, but that doesn't mean I supported them in any way or form at all.

 

[sparticus]

Well, didn't OBL release a video claiming Al-Q were responsible for 9/11 afterwards? That's a fair lump of evidence that he was involved...

...

You surely don't mean the fatty laden one do you?
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/binladinvideo.html

 

[editor]

All the evidence is running through my head.

Great! You've given me the excuse to run my old graphic again!

 

[sparticus]

Sure. How about that fruitloop 9/11 film that you <guffaw> "premiered" a while ago?

What about it? What does that show exactly?

 

[editor]

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/binladinvideo.html

That site is for gullible nutters. And conspiraloons.

Step forward sparticus!

 

[DrRingDing]

No matter how you twist it, bringing up his job remains utterly irrelevant to his opinions about 9/11 here

The mind control business of marketing and bourgouise and governmental 'news' is related. Like it or not.

 

[DrRingDing]

Great! You've given me the excuse to run my old graphic again!

Dear me.

It is always you that takes the first step in taking phrases out of context. Underhand tactics in a internet debate.

What does that tell us?

Shocked to the core I tells ye

 

[editor]

The mind control business of marketing and bourgouise and governmental 'news' is related. Like it or not.

Have you ever worked for the BBC? Or been interviewed by them?

I have and I didn't see any 'mind control' mechanisms in place.

 

[editor]

It is always you that takes the first step in taking phrases out of context.

What does that tell us?

It says to me that I'm having a playful laugh, but I've no idea what it says to all of you ("us").

 

[DrRingDing]

I have and I didn't see any 'mind control' mechanisms in place.

Bitching aside have you read "Manufacturing Consent"?

 

[sparticus]

Ed

I notice you still haven't answered my 'Jersey Girls' question.

Do you support their call for a further inquiry?

 

[DrRingDing]

I have and I didn't see any 'mind control' mechanisms in place.

I've been lectured in a meeting in the houses of parliment by a senior BBC journalist who was very gravely informing us of the dark forces at play there.

But now lets make fun of the 'dark forces' quote hey?

 

[DrRingDing]

Have you ever worked for the BBC? Or been interviewed by them?

I have and I didn't see any 'mind control' mechanisms in place.

...and of course you've never been on a protest or action and then read the papers the next day or turned on the telly to find suddenly what you saw, heard, smelt and did was actually a complete hallucination.

Do you work for the Ministry of Love by any chance?