krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Nah, but would like to know which returning clown it is before the ceremonial binning.
Census 2021
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Nah, but would like to know which returning clown it is before the ceremonial binning.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Spanner in the works
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but it'd be like identifying who shat a turd - perhaps it can be done, but what's the point?
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Anyway the ONS got its arse handed to it on a plate by Fair Play For Women in court, which just goes to show that being a Stonewall "Diversity Champion" might not be all its cracked up to be.
If you want to read a couple of good, and reasonably short, threads on it you could try these
If you want to read a couple of good, and reasonably short, threads on it you could try these
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Thats what i thought as well but everyone else seemed to be doing it early online so i did it last weekend. Not sure if you can edit the online census if anything changes before 21st?
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Already submitted. Still it's highly unlikely anything will change for me now before the 21st.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Yes I'm sure you think women's concerns about the blurring of sex and gender are laughable. But this thread isn't just for you so maybe sit down and shut up if you haven't got anything interesting to add?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I am still waiting for you to respond to the various points raised when they won round one: points concerning how and why this was an entirely hollow victory that wont make any difference in effect. It's a stunt to generate headlines. Apart from there are no headlines because 'Census removes word 'passport' from guidance' is a pretty dull one.
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co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
I haven't found that any attempt to find compromises between feminism & transactivism has ever got anywhere constructive so I'm not sure that there's much point having the usual bunfight?
I thought it was odd that, on a thread about the 2021 census, the result of a legal action brought against the ONS concerning the census wasn't getting discussed so I just put up a couple of links for people who wanted to know what had happened and why it matters.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
This is a false dichotomy, as its not 'feminism vs transactivism', even if some feminists might want to portray it that way, and certainly a whole load of men having jumped on the bandwagon channeling their sub-glinner, meanwhile its all become very useful 'culture war' material for the right - some whom don't seem to have given much of a shit about women's and/or trans issues until the last few years. But I've written at length about this on urban in a more informed and considered manner than some of the reactionary, disingenuous stuff that has been claimed both here and elsewhere.
Besides, the (anarcha) feminist groups I've been involved in and have friends around too over the years, whilst there has been intense discussion of these issues at times, see women and trans rights as not being in oppposition but something worth fighting for together - understanding both the shared issues and the differences. And in the current climate that is impacting women - whether that be disproportionate affects of the pandemic, or especially in the events of the last week, channeling money and legal battles into issues such as wording of the census does seem to be a strange priority. That doesn't tend to get the headlines though.
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For someone who so publicly and outwardly apparently rejects bullying language, you certainly don’t mind using it yourself when someone “misrepresents” your business model:
- clueless
- stupid
- ignorant
- unpleasant
- waft
- trolling
- buffoonery
- idiot
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Mind the door doesn't, etc..
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I’m not sure “waft” qualifies as bullying language.
Anyway, cheers for answering the question, guys, I’ll fill the thing in early - not anticipating any change of passport or gender in the next few days.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
(((Waft))) 
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
You do realise most feminists and most trans people get on with one another right? It's just a tiny very vocal minority with a lot of money to throw around and/or time on their hands stirring shit.
I haven't found that any attempt to find compromises between feminism & transactivism has ever got anywhere constructive so I'm not sure that there's much point having the usual bunfight?
I thought it was odd that, on a thread about the 2021 census, the result of a legal action brought against the ONS concerning the census wasn't getting discussed so I just put up a couple of links for people who wanted to know what had happened and why it matters.
It's not being discussed the same way you ignore anyone having a tantrum for attention. Hope that helps
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He's being kind and pulling his punches
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
"business model", LOL. It's almost as if you can't conceive of someone doing something for any reason other than making £££
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I realise I'm not the only one but... pretending to work while posting on urban is my business model for my boss. Things are shaping up well, productivity (on urban) has recently increased 
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I didn’t mention anything relevant to ‘the usual bunfight’ - I simply wanted to know why you had ignored the previous replies pointing out why this particular action was largely meaningless. You are trying to claim it as a MASSIVE win, but it really isn’t. Which is probably why it has barely been reported upon.
I haven't found that any attempt to find compromises between feminism & transactivism has ever got anywhere constructive so I'm not sure that there's much point having the usual bunfight?
I thought it was odd that, on a thread about the 2021 census, the result of a legal action brought against the ONS concerning the census wasn't getting discussed so I just put up a couple of links for people who wanted to know what had happened and why it matters.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Why yes of course it is, it has to be otherwise trans women wouldn't be the most oppressed minority ever etc etc.
Still it's funny how the gender identity case was being made by QCs paid for by the Office for National Statistics and the Government Legal Service (appointed by the Cabinet Office), while the case against was crowd-funded by over 2,500 people paying an average of less than £40 each. It's almost like the translobby has successfully got hugely powerful govt depts on its side and the gender critical feminists are a self-organising grass roots body. But I know appearances can be deceptive, I must have misunderstood something.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
Go tell it to twitter no one here gives a fuck. ps the grinning emoji don't hide your insecurity as well as you think
Why yes of course it is, it has to be otherwise trans women wouldn't be the most oppressed minority ever etc etc.
Still it's funny how the gender identity case was being made by QCs paid for by the Office for National Statistics and the Government Legal Service (appointed by the Cabinet Office), while the case against was crowd-funded by over 2,500 people paying an average of less than £40 each. It's almost like the translobby has successfully got hugely powerful govt depts on its side and the gender critical feminists are a self-organising grass roots body. But I know appearances can be deceptive, I must have misunderstood something.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Good thing you have Priti Patel on your side then!
Why yes of course it is, it has to be otherwise trans women wouldn't be the most oppressed minority ever etc etc.
Still it's funny how the gender identity case was being made by QCs paid for by the Office for National Statistics and the Government Legal Service (appointed by the Cabinet Office), while the case against was crowd-funded by over 2,500 people paying an average of less than £40 each. It's almost like the translobby has successfully got hugely powerful govt depts on its side and the gender critical feminists are a self-organising grass roots body. But I know appearances can be deceptive, I must have misunderstood something.
Still waiting for you to come back on why this ‘massive victory’ actually is one, why it’s not a tokenistic waste of time and money which will have virtually no effect.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
There are quite a lot of posters on here who are GC and therefore do give a fuck, although as the TRA MO is just to shout at people until they change the subject mostly we don't post on this.
Thanks for the emotional advice though.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
I have no idea what the TRA MO is but I'm glad you're finally getting the point that we don't want to talk about your weird obsession with trans people.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
TRA = trans rights activist
MO modus operandi
I'm well aware that any kind of discussion about anything to do with the obvious conflict between trans rights and - esp - women's rights and children's rights is something you hate. It's one of the reasons that red flags go up for me on this, if your primary technique is bullying then you kind of know that most people wouldn't buy gender identity theory if they were allowed to talk it through.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Daft waft
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