British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[littlebabyjesus]

Would going and marrying an IS member be regarded as supporting a terrorist organisation or whatever the offence is called here in England and Wales.

Yes

 

[SpackleFrog]

Trump is now weighing in to demand that Britain and other European countries to "take back" ISIS fighters, which probably makes cases like Shamima Begum a bit more of an actual news story.

Trump urges European allies to take back hundreds of ISIS fighters captured in Syria

Although for what it's worth, while I don't think acting like these people are not our problem is much of a starting point, and certainly don't think making them stateless is a solution, I also don't think we should be hugely receptive to Trump demanding we put them all in UK prisons.

 

[brogdale]

Well if you agree that, great. So far the state seems to be saying that we're not going to lift a finger to help her and if she arrives in the UK under her own steam she'll be arrested and possibly prosecuted. All of which is perfectly fine by me.

Others with more regional knowledge will doubtless be able to comment, but I suspect that a major problem for the UK state is deciding on the degree of engagement with those holding the 20 or so UK nationals reported to be held in the displaced persons camps of DFNS. Extradition obviously presupposes some form of mutual state recognition.

 

[A380]

Exactly, I've not consciously sought to portray her as the Madonna, but I have tried to challenge the whoring of her.

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I’ve missed those posts. Please link to a couple where this ‘whoring’ has been done.

Just had a quick second whiz though this thread after Teumps pronouncement. tim I still have failed to find any that engage in the ‘whoring’ of this woman though?

 

[tim]

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I’ve missed those posts. Please link to a couple where this ‘whoring’ has been done.

You could start with gentlegreen and his "Jihadi factory" comment.

It's a reference to the Madonna/Whore dichotomy: the idea that women are either virginally pure or totally depraved.

 

[A380]

You could start with gentlegreen and his "Jihadi factory" comment.

It's a reference to the Madonna/Whore dichotomy: the idea that women are either virginally pure or totally depraved.

Oh I see, it’s you white knighting.

 

[Spymaster]

You could start with gentlegreen and his "Jihadi factory" comment.

It's a reference to the Madonna/Whore dichotomy: the idea that women are either virginally pure or totally depraved.

He didn't call her a whore though and he only took stick for that because of the way he formed it. If we're honest these women are treated exactly as baby production facilities (factories) by IS. Their sole purpose is to provide sexual services to the murderers, do the washing and cooking, and to produce babies. Or do you reckon it's a love thing?

If anyone's treating the women as "whores" it's IS. Certainly nobody on this thread.

 

[xenon]

It's bollocks. Tim's exaggerating for trolling fun I suspect. I mean, I dont' believe he's actually as patronising and wishy woshy as taking all his posts at face value might suggest.

 

[tim]

gentlegreen

It was that almost as much as being unfazed by heads in bins.
"Had two die on me, let's immediately produce another baby jihadist..."

Thursday at 1:31 PM
A veritable jihadist factory.
I hope this child gets taken into care.

 

[Shechemite]

gentlegreen

Here
https://www.urban75.net/forums/members/gentlegreen.1195/

??

 

[tim]

??

Any clearer above now

 

[xenon]

Terrible, appalling, some brusk language. Presumably you're aware of how the voluntary joining of Daesh was sold to women? Would you like some smelling salts?

 

[kebabking]

gentlegreen

It was that almost as much as being unfazed by heads in bins.
"Had two die on me, let's immediately produce another baby jihadist..."

Thursday at 1:31 PM
A veritable jihadist factory.
I hope this child gets taken into care.

Any clearer above now

To be clear, do you believe that marrying an IS fighter and having babies was not part of the 'advert' from IS, and to which this person replied in the affirmative?

Do you then believe that given the decisions - not just the one decision she made at 15 - she's made since going to IS, and the attitudes she displays on film, do not make her, at the least, someone you won't be leaving your children with?

 

[Sprocket.]

Trump is now weighing in to demand that Britain and other European countries to "take back" ISIS fighters, which probably makes cases like Shamima Begum a bit more of an actual news story.

Trump urges European allies to take back hundreds of ISIS fighters captured in Syria

Although for what it's worth, while I don't think acting like these people are not our problem is much of a starting point, and certainly don't think making them stateless is a solution, I also don't think we should be hugely receptive to Trump demanding we put them all in UK prisons.

Perhaps they should all be handed over to the authorities in those countries they have committed the atrocities in.

 

[MrSki]

You could start with gentlegreen and his "Jihadi factory" comment.

It's a reference to the Madonna/Whore dichotomy: the idea that women are either virginally pure or totally depraved.

As far as I can tell, it is only you who seems obsessed with 'whores' & 'sluts'.

I don't think gentlegreen comments were out of order as this was part of the deal in producing future fighters for the cause.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He didn't call her a whore though and he only took stick for that because of the way he formed it. If we're honest these women are treated exactly as baby production facilities (factories) by IS. Their sole purpose is to provide sexual services for the murderers, do the washing and cooking, and to produce babies. Or do you reckon it's a love thing?

If anyone's treating the women as "whores" it's IS. Certainly nobody on this thread.

exactly. This is yet another bizarre turn on a frankly bizarre thread.

 

[NoXion]

Perhaps they should all be handed over to the authorities in those countries they have committed the atrocities in.

Aren't these the same authorities that set up rape dungeons for dissidents in their prisons? In which case I'm skeptical that they would receive a fair hearing.

It's an absolute fucking mess, all round.

 

[Sprocket.]

Aren't these the same authorities that set up rape dungeons for dissidents in their prisons? In which case I'm skeptical that they would receive a fair hearing.

It's an absolute fucking mess, all round.

Yes it’s a savage, vicious, never ending circle of mayhem, murder and terror from all sides. It’s futile trying to resolve it. It will all just roll on to another location.

 

[SpackleFrog]

To be clear, do you believe that marrying an IS fighter and having babies was not part of the 'advert' from IS, and to which this person replied in the affirmative?

Do you then believe that given the decisions - not just the one decision she made at 15 - she's made since going to IS, and the attitudes she displays on film, do not make her, at the least, someone you won't be leaving your children with?

That doesn't have anything to do with what tim is saying. He's not saying that she isn't a potential danger or that anyone should leave their kids with her.

The point is that in the context of an issue like this comments about women being reproductive 'factories', or insisting on the basis of no evidence whatsoever that 'she knew what she was getting in to', or making comparisons with parents who are drug users, or denigrating comments about how many kids she had, are not relevant to the issue and really just suggest some posters here have some odd (putting it kindly) attitudes to women.

 

[Athos]

tim, you're really reaching with this idea that anyone's 'slut-shaming' her; whilst gentlegreen's comments may have been factually inaccurate and somewhat crass, recognising that a big part of the role of jihadi bride is to produce offspring isn't anything like calling her a 'whore'.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Perhaps they should all be handed over to the authorities in those countries they have committed the atrocities in.

There either aren't any authorities - we're talking about disintegrating and failed states here - that's the point.

 

[SpackleFrog]

As far as I can tell, it is only you who seems obsessed with 'whores' & 'sluts'.

I don't think gentlegreen comments were out of order as this was part of the deal in producing future fighters for the cause.

You don't think referring to her womb as a factory was out of order?

 

[tim]

tim, you're really reaching with this idea that anyone's 'slut-shaming' her; whilst gentlegreen's comments may have been factually inaccurate and somewhat crass, recognising that a big part of the role of jihadi bride is to produce offspring isn't anything like calling her a 'whore'.

He sees her as an unredeemable fallen woman

 

[Sprocket.]

There either aren't any authorities - we're talking about disintegrating and failed states here - that's the point.

Oh thanks for pointing that out to me. I live in a cave!

 

[A380]

He sees her as an unredeemable fallen woman

Deffo trolling now...

 

[cupid_stunt]

You don't think referring to her womb as a factory was out of order?

I read that post, as him commenting on how IS sees their brides, not how he does, that's a big difference.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Oh thanks for pointing that out to me. I live in a cave!

If you're aware there aren't any authorities then why did you post with that suggestion?

 

[Athos]

He sees her as an unredeemable fallen woman

I get the impression he sees her as irredeemable, but the obsession with her being 'fallen' (generally understood to refer to promiscousness) seems to be all you own! Suggesting a part of her role in supporting IS was to produce children is quite different from suggesting she's promiscuous.

 

[cupid_stunt]

He sees her as an unredeemable fallen woman

Put your crystal ball away, you can't read minds.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I read that post, as him commenting on how IS sees their brides, not how he does, that's a big difference.

I think that's a very charitable interpretation - the comment was aimed at the number of children she had had, he made no mention at all of how IS sees/grooms/recruits young women, the focus was all on her as an individual.