British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[SpackleFrog]

No one has said or suggested rape and torture are good. Why are you saying they have?

Some people have suggested it would be good if British citizens who joined Daesh were dealt with by the Iraqi authorities because it's likely they would be raped and tortured.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Don't be a fucking cunt. She joined IS ffs. What the fuck is wrong with you on this?

What's your problem? That I'm ambivalent about passport fraud?

 

[Sprocket.]

Well that's a bit confusing, given you just said you don't want her back here.

The 800 prisoners Trump is on about, not her. Stop skim reading then going off half cocked. It isn’t your usual style.

 

[kebabking]

Do you foresee any potential dangers associated with your support for this Tory govt to strip someone of their citizenship?

I see potential dangers in most things, but if I was paralyzed by every potential danger inherent in achieving anything I'd starve to death across the road from a supermarket.

I'd have no problem with a Corbyn government removing her British citizenship - I truth I'd have no problem with a Corbyn government throwing her put the back of a plane 5,000 feet over the Atlantic...

 

[Sue]

Some people have suggested it would be good if British citizens who joined Daesh were dealt with by the Iraqi authorities because it's likely they would be raped and tortured.

Are they? I must've missed that. Feel free to quote the relevant posts.

 

[Spymaster]

What do you want then? For her to be stripped off British citizenship?

Fine by me. And if this was a white, male, nazi, Christian; a tory; or whoever is the current leftie hate figure du jour, it would probably be fine by you and most of the others on this thread too.

 

[LDC]

Will she be back in the UK before this thread reaches 100 pages though? That's the real question.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Some people have suggested it would be good if British citizens who joined Daesh were dealt with by the Iraqi authorities because it's likely they would be raped and tortured.

Congratulations in joining Tim Nice, but Dim, in making shit up.

 

[A380]

Do you foresee any potential dangers associated with your support for this Tory govt to strip someone of their citizenship?

But they won’t. I don’t think anyone here has suggested that if she gets to the uk or a consulate she wouldn’t allowed in- despite the wishful thinking of some on other sites- she’d also be tried for at least two offences she’s admitted to in her interview. And hopefully a few more, I imagine there are a few state and more non-state actors, probably some with a women’s rights underpinning desperately trying to get testimony from the various slaves and other victims of IS in a hope ( probably mostly forlorn) of getting some charges to stick somewhere. Personally I’d love to see this woman and other IS members from Britain in the dock at the Bailey forced to listen to the testimony of Yazidi women and men, perhaps backed up by drone footage and people who only have one letter names. Probably won’t happen but would be fucking great if it did.

 

[likesfish]

You were peeling potatoes the day of that lecture in training right?

IS aren't members of any recognized armed forces have taken part in rape and torture murder of prisoners big boys rules, apply and you make sure no helmet cams are switched on. If you don't like it shouldn't have joined an organization that thought prisoner meant somebody I can murder for fun.
dumped at the side of the road neck shot seems eminently sensible anyone asks they were reaching for a suicide belt.
same thing happened to a lot of SS prisoners get a reputation for murdering prisoners don't get to be passed up the line.

 

[Spymaster]

She left the country with a fake passport? Oh my god. I am so morally outraged right now. Won't somebody think of the children etc

You're an idiot.

 

[tim]

No one has said or suggested rape and torture are good. Why are you saying they have?

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Perhaps they should all be handed over to the authorities in those countries they have committed the atrocities in.


Do you mean the resurgent Assad regime that had been torturing raping and slaughtering its perceived opponents and their children for decades? Albeit in the name of a secular ideology: not that the latter stopped in from having a clear sectarian bias

Something like that

 

[MrSki]

You don't think referring to her womb as a factory was out of order?

No not in the context. Maybe he should have said 'Means of production' but in context it is not out of order.

 

[Sue]

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Perhaps they should all be handed over to the authorities in those countries they have committed the atrocities in.


Do you mean the resurgent Assad regime that had been torturing raping and slaughtering its perceived opponents and their children for decades? Albeit in the name of a secular ideology: not that the latter stopped in from having a clear sectarian bias

Something like that

I'm still failing to see the suggestion that rape and torture are good. I think we can all acknowledge though that there are no easy or good solutions to any of this.

 

[MrSki]

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Perhaps they should all be handed over to the authorities in those countries they have committed the atrocities in.


Do you mean the resurgent Assad regime that had been torturing raping and slaughtering its perceived opponents and their children for decades? Albeit in the name of a secular ideology: not that the latter stopped in from having a clear sectarian bias

Something like that

If a foreign national commits a crime in the UK & flees, then it would be expected to apply for extradition back to the UK to be tried where the crime was committed. Why not in these cases?

 

[A380]

If a foreign national commits a crime in the UK & flees, then it would be expected to apply for extradition back to the UK to be tried where the crime was committed. Why not in these cases?

Because the people asking for extradition are not white and so shouldn’t be expected to have a proper justice system like ours I think. I’m sure Tim will phrase it slightly differently but I think that’s the basis of his arguments...

 

[gentlegreen]

I was NOT being intentionally misogynistic.
While she didn't chop off any heads like her male peers, she was complicit.
To be perfectly honest I don't fully understand why IS fighters "need" wives and children - except perhaps with a view to the future.

 

[LDC]

If a foreign national commits a crime in the UK & flees, then it would be expected to apply for extradition back to the UK to be tried where the crime was committed. Why not in these cases?

Have you read anything in this thread and the situation on the ground where she is? She's not being held by a recognized State with the infrastructure to do this through. FFS what do you think has been going on in Syria?

 

[tim]

If a foreign national commits a crime in the UK & flees, then it would be expected to apply for extradition back to the UK to be tried where the crime was committed. Why not in these cases?

Because, there is no guarantee of a fair trial under the Assad regime and they rape, torture and kill people, just like Daesh do. British government policy is not to extradite in such circumstances

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No not in the context. Maybe he should have said 'Means of production' but in context it is not out of order.

tbh I think some people here are struggling to get their heads around IS ideology, which isn't so surprising as it is so different from the way any of us here think. Particularly given how she herself will have seen her womb, her primary role in furthering the cause being the production of children - particularly boys, who will then become fighters themselves as they build their new society. This is an idealistic cause, one that aspires to a (twisted) utopian transformation of the whole world. She offered up her body to that cause. And she did so willingly. It is distasteful to write it, but there is no non-distasteful way to write it that doesn't miss an important aspect of what it is.

 

[tim]

Because the people asking for extradition are not white and so shouldn’t be expected to have a proper justice system like ours I think. I’m sure Tim will phrase it slightly differently but I think that’s the basis of his arguments...

Nobody currently is asking for extradition. Please keep up! As she is not in the UK we could not extradite her anyway. As far as the Assad government's justice system goes, if you've got a strong stomach, look at the pictures in the link below, and decide for yourself, if you think that they treat detainees well.

assad torture - Google Search

 

[MrSki]

Because, there is no guarantee of a fair trial under the Assad regime and they rape, torture and kill people, just like Daesh do. British government policy is not to extradite in such circumstances

Did IS/Daesh, that she made the choice to go & join, offer fair trials? The problem for her is that she is not in the UK to be extradited but on the ground where the crimes were committed. Her fate will be decided by others who might not see fair trials in the same light as you.

 

[MrSki]

Have you read anything in this thread and the situation on the ground where she is? She's not being held by a recognized State with the infrastructure to do this through. FFS what do you think has been going on in Syria?

I think that is why she is spouting off to a Times reporter because she is a bit worried about how those around her might react. Hence her wanting to get back to the UK asap before the local form of justice is served.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If she ever makes it back here, there is zero chance she would be handed over to Syria or Iraq or anyone else. In that sense, she may be more fortunate than others around her. She has a potential way out, albeit one that will probably involve a few years in prison first.

 

[MrSki]

As she is not in the UK we could not extradite her anyway.

If she was in the UK 'we' would not need to extradite her?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If she was in the UK 'we' would not need to extradite her?

I think the idea there is that the UK might extradite her to Assad's Syria. We may need to chalk that up on the growing list of absurd suggestions coming out of this thread.

 

[Red Cat]

Anyone would think p&p was a bunch of daft and foolish teenagers.

 

[MrSki]

New interview with Sky here.
IS bride Shamima Begum tells Sky News: 'A lot of people should have sympathy for me'

 

[tim]

If she was in the UK 'we' would not need to extradite her?

Read the post I was responding to

 

[MrSki]

Read the post I was responding to

Sorry got the end with shit on it.