British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[LDC]

Poor woman, suffering in a refugee camp and then Sky reporters arrive. Thank Allah at least it wasn't Kay Burley.

 

[rekil]

New interview with Sky here.
IS bride Shamima Begum tells Sky News: 'A lot of people should have sympathy for me'

I suggest that people, especially those of the 'ISIS - not that bad really' bent, should give Nadia Murad and RBSS a listen. I remember when kidnapped yazidis were being mocked by Assadists who were accusing them of being a meme to justify imperialist intervention and so on.







Citizen journalists capture life in Raqqa under Islamic State

 

[A380]

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I suggest that people, especially those of the 'ISIS - not that bad really' bent, should give Nadia Murad and RBSS a listen. I remember when kidnapped yazidis were being mocked by Assadists who were accusing them of being a meme to justify imperialist intervention and so on.

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Liked for their bravery. Not the content.

 

[kebabking]

New interview with Sky here.
IS bride Shamima Begum tells Sky News: 'A lot of people should have sympathy for me'

Magda Goebbels in 'only a housewife' claim....

 

[A380]

Brigitte Kuhlmann - just a response to the men in her life...

 

[Saul Goodman]

I think tim doesn't see them as more of a threat to life than a tree falling on your head.

 

[SpackleFrog]

The 800 prisoners Trump is on about, not her. Stop skim reading then going off half cocked. It isn’t your usual style.

Fair enough, obviously I've conflated the two - mind if I ask why you're ok with her returning to Britain but not the 800? I ask cos obviously a lot of people are raising the possibility she would be a threat etc.

 

[Saul Goodman]

But the thread is about this one British school girl and her particular situation, isn't it

What's all this 'schoolgirl' bollocks? Is it an attempt to make people feel sorry for her? She's not a schoolgirl, she's a 19 year old terrorist who happens to have been born in the UK.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I ask cos obviously a lot of people are raising the possibility she would be a threat etc.

You seem to be confusing the words 'would' & 'could'.

 

[LDC]

Fair enough, obviously I've conflated the two - mind if I ask why you're ok with her returning to Britain but not the 800? I ask cos obviously a lot of people are raising the possibility she would be a threat etc.

For me it's not really about whether she's a threat or not. I have no idea if she would be, and people with the knowledge and skills to do so can make that assessment.

It should be obvious though that any threat she might be is multifaceted, she might unlikely/unable to do something herself, but might encourage or facilitate others to do so, even if it's only through people she's never had contact with being provoked by her being back in the UK - and that includes right wing responses as well of course.

For me it's a political position. You go there and do that, then ask for help to come while in the same interview express no regrets and even say it was OK? Fuck you, live with the consequences.

 

[weltweit]

I suggest that people, especially those of the 'ISIS - not that bad really' bent, should give Nadia Murad and RBSS a listen. I remember when kidnapped yazidis were being mocked by Assadists who were accusing them of being a meme to justify imperialist intervention and so on.

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Her story is pretty grim.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I see potential dangers in most things, but if I was paralyzed by every potential danger inherent in achieving anything I'd starve to death across the road from a supermarket.

I'd have no problem with a Corbyn government removing her British citizenship - I truth I'd have no problem with a Corbyn government throwing her put the back of a plane 5,000 feet over the Atlantic...

I'll take that as a yes.

Fine by me. And if this was a white, male, nazi, Christian; a tory; or whoever is the current leftie hate figure du jour, it would probably be fine by you and most of the others on this thread too.

No, I wouldn't. I'll give you an example to help you explain why - people have often called for the EDL to be banned in Britain for example, something I've always strongly disagreed with. That's not because I care about freedom of speech for the far right or any othetr nonsense like that, it's because if you start saying the state should be allowed to determine what is legitimate political protest etc then they'll be banning left organisations and trade unions quite quickly.

I think if a situation happens where this individual is stripped of citizenship - on grounds which of course will be determined by lawyers in courts - then this will simply make it possible for lots of other people to be stripped of citizenship.

Daesh are a monstrosity. Don't let the monster distract you from the fact that the state is designed to exploit and oppress us all.

You're an idiot.

And you're a charmless prick. But more importantly you're reacting emotionally to this situation and it's causing you to talk shite.

 

[Sprocket.]

Fair enough, obviously I've conflated the two - mind if I ask why you're ok with her returning to Britain but not the 800? I ask cos obviously a lot of people are raising the possibility she would be a threat etc.

She was an school age young woman when she was attracted to a way of life that somehow appealed to her.
Whatever reason she has crossed a line and supported an organisation that commits deplorable acts.
These acts are probably the work of the trained combatants who are part of the contingent of 800 prisoners.
I fear the rehabilitation of those committing such acts may be well passed. Radicalisation takes place in British prisons, how many more will be encouraged to go down this path.
That’s why I personally would not want them back.

 

[SpackleFrog]

For me it's not really about whether she's a threat or not. I have no idea if she would be, and people with the knowledge and skills to do so can make that assessment.

It should be obvious though that any threat she might be is multifaceted, she might unlikely/unable to do something herself, but might encourage or facilitate others to do so, even if it's only through people she's never had contact with being provoked by her being back in the UK - and that includes right wing responses as well of course.

For me it's a political position. You go there and do that, then ask for help to come while in the same interview express no regrets and even say it was OK? Fuck you, live with the consequences.

That's not a political position, that's an emotional reaction.

 

[SpackleFrog]

She was an school age young woman when she was attracted to a way of life that somehow appealed to her.
Whatever reason she has crossed a line and supported an organisation that commits deplorable acts.
These acts are probably the work of the trained combatants who are part of the contingent of 800 prisoners.
I fear the rehabilitation of those committing such acts may be well passed. Radicalisation takes place in British prisons, how many more will be encouraged to go down this path.
That’s why I personally would not want them back.

But you're ok with her coming back?

 

[SpackleFrog]

You seem to be confusing the words 'would' & 'could'.

Christ, I said possibility! Chill.

 

[SpackleFrog]

No not in the context. Maybe he should have said 'Means of production' but in context it is not out of order.

We'll agree to disagree - for me, referring to women as breeding factories is pretty mysogynistic.

 

[Saul Goodman]

And you're a charmless prick. But more importantly you're reacting emotionally to this situation and it's causing you to talk shite.

The irony of this post aside...what's your excuse for talking shite?

 

[cupid_stunt]

I think if a situation happens where this individual is stripped of citizenship - on grounds which of course will be determined by lawyers in courts - then this will simply make it possible for lots of other people to be stripped of citizenship.

FFS, she can't be stripped of citizenship.

Christ, you are posting a load of old dribble.

 

[skyscraper101]

Threat my arse. She'll be one of the most monitored individuals in the country with 4 years of inside knowledge on the beards. Why wouldn't they bring her back. She'd be a total fucking asset if she's dense enough to actually get in touch with anyone.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Are they? I must've missed that. Feel free to quote the relevant posts.

It's been implied rather than openly stated but there's a few.

 

[likesfish]

probably have to take them back as making them stateless isn't an option and the Kurds are unlikely to massacre them, unfortunately.

 

[MrSki]

We'll agree to disagree - for me, referring to women as breeding factories is pretty mysogynistic.

If a woman (or schoolgirl) applies for a job as a breeding factory then what is wrong with calling her that? That is her job title.
In any other context I would agree it is well out of order.

 

[Saul Goodman]

It's been implied rather than openly stated but there's a few.

So what's actually happening is "you're reacting emotionally to this situation and it's causing you to talk shite."?

 

[SpackleFrog]

FFS, she can't be stripped of citizenship.

Christ, you are posting a load of old dribble.

Sajid Javid thinks differently and while I wouldn't normally take his opinion over yours he is the Home Sec.

Pregnant ISIS bride could be stripped of UK citizenship and 'sent to Bangladesh'

 

[likesfish]

Threat my arse. She'll be one of the most monitored individuals in the country with 4 years of inside knowledge on the beards. Why wouldn't they bring her back. She'd be a total fucking asset if she's dense enough to actually get in touch with anyone.

she spent four years on her back spreading her legs for a jihadist an asset has something useful to offer she doesnt have anything to offer and isnt sorry

 

[eoin_k]

She's on message with the main technical aspects of the defence-just a housewife etc. We just need to do a little more work on presentation.
She comes across as very candid, which is a good start. I just wonder if she might want to reconsider how great everything was in Raqqa.
The whole bit about the experience making her stronger and becoming tougher might not play that well with a jury. That bit about watching the head chopping videos before she went out was a bit unfortunate, too. Might need to instruct counsel for an opinion on that bit. Still we can work with this. I don't think we need to recommend a guilty plea just yet.

 

[SpackleFrog]

she spent four years on her back spreading her legs for a jihadist an asset has something useful to offer she doesnt have anything to offer and isnt sorry

Here's more evidence of the blatant mysogyny tim was referring to by the way. This isn't relevant to the discussion. It's just likesfish venting his feelings of frustration around women and sex.

 

[Sprocket.]

But you're ok with her coming back?

I’m done here, I have bigger and much more scary things to whittle about.
Bye.

 

[Athos]

Referring to a 'breeding factory' is crass, and, in another context, might well be misogynistic. But, ffs, what sort of warped priorities focus on that alleged misogynistic words rather than the actual brutal misogynistic acts of the regime she supported, with its stonings and mass rapes?!