British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[A380]

She's on message with the main technical aspects of the defence-just a housewife etc. We just need to do a little more work on presentation.
She comes across as very candid, which is a good start. I just wonder if she might want to reconsider how great everything was in Raqqa.
The whole bit about the experience making her stronger and becoming tougher might not play that well with a jury. That bit about watching the head chopping videos before she went out was a bit unfortunate, too. Might need to instruct counsel for an opinion on that bit. Still we can work with this. I don't think we need to recommend a guilty plea just yet.

Play this backstory right, not only can we get her a suspended sentence but maybe into the X factor semi finals too...

 

[danny la rouge]

This seems a more angry/confused thread than most

And longer, more quickly, than the case seems to warrant. I’m not entirely sure why that should be. Wonder if it’s somehow easier to have views on an individual than a situation, but the main IS thread took three months to reach 40 pages. This one took three days.

 

[weltweit]

I am a lot less bothered by the idea of this woman coming back to the UK with her child, than I am about potentially hundreds of male UK/IS terrorists currently in detention in theatre coming back to the UK.

 

[likesfish]

Even if that were true, you don't think an demonstrably easy to manipulate teenager with a four years of credible first hand involvement with ISIS members and their womenfolk isn't someone the British state could get capital from? Even without the newborn as leverage that's a pretty big open goal to miss by not getting her back to the UK.

isis have about a week left as any sort of coherent existence so any intelligence would be of limited value.
you don't need a command structure or plan to murder people by driving a car or getting stab happy so a used isis slut and one time slave handler is of no value at all.

 

[weepiper]

a used isis slut

Fuck off you misogynist prick.

 

[cupid_stunt]

a used isis slut

Just stop it now, FFS.

 

[Red Cat]

And longer, more quickly, than the case seems to warrant. I’m not entirely sure why that should be. Wonder if it’s somehow easier to have views on an individual than a situation, but the main IS thread took three months to reach 40 pages. This one took three days.

I think we'd be more honest if we said we all have an emotional reaction to it and to try and have a thoughtful discussion with that in mind.

 

[Spymaster]

... so a used isis slut ...

Ffs.

 

[MrSki]

Whatever she is I can't see how she can be referred as a slut. Twat.

 

[danny la rouge]

used isis slut

You may think this language makes it seem like you really, really dislike IS, but it just makes you seem unhinged and unfocused.

 

[likesfish]

oh noes I've used rude words about a woman who'd happily see me tortured to death bothered am I not.

 

[Red Cat]

isis have about a week left as any sort of coherent existence so any intelligence would be of limited value.
you don't need a command structure or plan to murder people by driving a car or getting stab happy so a used isis slut and one time slave handler is of no value at all.

You certainly could do with some intelligence though the current deficit is so great it may well be of limited value.

 

[Shechemite]

oh noes I've used rude words about a woman who'd happily see me tortured to death bothered am I not.

Oh shut up

 

[Wilf]

is a used isis slut

Just saw this thread and was surprised it was 42 pages in a couple of days. Presumably several spats going on but still might have been worth reading. Then I saw this. So probably not.

 

[danny la rouge]

oh noes I've used rude words about a woman who'd happily see me tortured to death bothered am I not.

It’s not the fact you dislike the woman that’s the problem, it’s the way you’ve chosen to denigrate her.

As a point of reference, imagine you’d used racist words to express your feelings about her.

 

[Saul Goodman]

You objected to her being described as a schoolgirl. It's a fact that she was a schoolgirl.

It's also a fact that Hitler was once a 5 year old schoolboy. Myra Hindley was also a 15 year old schooolgirl, at some point.

 

[cupid_stunt]

oh noes I've used rude words about a woman who'd happily see me tortured to death bothered am I not.

You are not carrying urban with you here, for very good reasons, perhaps you need to reflect on that, because that's something that should bother you.

 

[editor]

used isis slut .

No. This is unacceptable language.

 

[Athos]

oh noes I've used rude words about a woman who'd happily see me tortured to death bothered am I not.

The point is that casual misogyny affects more than just the person to whom it's addressed.

 

[Wilf]

It’s not the fact you dislike the woman that’s the problem, it’s the way you’ve chosen to denigrate her.

As a point of reference, imagine you’d used racist words to express your feelings about her.

Do you get Danny's point likesfish ?

 

[kebabking]

Do you get Danny's point likesfish ?

Likesfish doesn't do reflection, he's an idiot. Probably an actual idiot.

 

[Red Cat]

Do you get Danny's point likesfish ?

If he has to have it pointed out to him he shouldn't be here.

 

[danny la rouge]

If he has to have it pointed out to him he shouldn't be here.

It is surprising to be having to make that point.

 

[SpackleFrog]

isis have about a week left as any sort of coherent existence so any intelligence would be of limited value.
you don't need a command structure or plan to murder people by driving a car or getting stab happy so a used isis slut and one time slave handler is of no value at all.

This is exactly my point about who is a 'risk' and what needs to be done about risk. I already said that based on what you post here I think you are a risk to people. But that nonetheless my personal feelings about whether you are a risk should not determine whether you are imprisoned or stripped of citizenship or subject to any other punitive sanction. You have an unhealthy obsession with weapons and violence and you're a mysogynist, I wouldn't want you around my friends and family. Regardless though, I wouldn't call for you to be subject to punitive action from the state precisely because a) the fact that I think you're a risk doesn't make it so and b) even if we did lock you up there would be plenty of others like you walking around, notably the ones bright enough not to make anyone think they were a risk, and even if I could persuade myself that made us all safer, in reality it wouldn't.

I hope that everyone who has accused tim of inventing mysogyny on this thread will reflect on where we've got to on Page 42 and ask themselves if perhaps actually, there was some pretty obviously dodgy stuff being said and that it has escalated because people were willing to excuse it.

 

[The39thStep]

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[Saul Goodman]

This is exactly my point about who is a 'risk' and what needs to be done about risk. I already said that based on what you post here I think you are a risk to people. But that nonetheless my personal feelings about whether you are a risk should not determine whether you are imprisoned or stripped of citizenship or subject to any other punitive sanction. You have an unhealthy obsession with weapons and violence and you're a mysogynist, I wouldn't want you around my friends and family. Regardless though, I wouldn't call for you to be subject to punitive action from the state precisely because a) the fact that I think you're a risk doesn't make it so and b) even if we did lock you up there would be plenty of others like you walking around, notably the ones bright enough not to make anyone think they were a risk, and even if I could persuade myself that made us all safer, in reality it wouldn't.

I hope that everyone who has accused tim of inventing mysogyny on this thread will reflect on where we've got to on Page 42 and ask themselves if perhaps actually, there was some pretty obviously dodgy stuff being said and that it has escalated because people were willing to excuse it.

Do you even read your own posts before posting them?
Because somebody saying something misogynistic on the internet is exactly the same as someobody stealing her sister's passport and flying off and joining a terrorist organisation for 4 years.

 

[likesfish]

she went off to be a fuck toy for a hunky jihad fighter for a truly repellant regime

 

[Spymaster]

she went off to be a fuck toy for a hunky jihad fighter for a truly repellant regime

Are you pissed?

 

[skyscraper101]

She was a groomed child.

 

[cupid_stunt]

she went off to be a fuck toy for a hunky jihad fighter for a truly repellant regime

You are acting like a complete cunt, now fuck off.