Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

[framed]

Can't get Ogre losing you, no matter what I try Tartu...

 

[malatesta32]

fetch the pun police, this has gone on far enough! and who is the main culprit of these puntastic obscenities?

 

[DaveCinzano]

fetch the pun police, this has gone on far enough! and who is the main culprit of these puntastic obscenities?

Not a narva thread cop

 

[framed]

Let latvia lesson to us all...

 

[bignose1]

Let latvia lesson to us all...

She loves u baby. B

 

[DaveCinzano]

She loves u baby. B

*Estonia silence*

 

[bignose1]

*Estonia silence*

Just back from lime street st. God we were toss. That's Liverpools season done.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Just back from lime street

 

[Red Storm]

Quiet a large comment on the Anti-Fascist Archive calling the Making of Red Action pamphlet sectarian, workerist claptrap.

I've asked the poster to expand.

See here

 

[Red Storm]

By the way, how did Red Action respond to the "workerist" label?

 

[butchersapron]

Quiet a large comment on the Anti-Fascist Archive calling the Making of Red Action pamphlet sectarian, workerist claptrap.

I've asked the poster to expand.

See here

What an odd comment s/he made.

 

[Pickman's model]

Quiet a large comment on the Anti-Fascist Archive calling the Making of Red Action pamphlet sectarian, workerist claptrap.

I've asked the poster to expand.

See here

you should just have said 'what's it all about alfie?'

 

[butchersapron]

Alfie Noakes was a derek and clive thing, so could have just called him a cunt.

 

[bignose1]

una palanga blanca

 

[Fedayn]

As an aside Warrington bombing linked to Red Action group (BBC Headline not my view)

7:30pm tonight on BBC One North West

 

[DaveCinzano]

As an aside Warrington bombing linked to Red Action group

7:30pm tonight on BBC One North West

Will be interesting to see from whence this 'theory' emanates.

 

[framed]

There's been sustained attempts in the last few years by various journalists to link Red Action to the Warrington bombing... It'll be interesting to see what the evidence and sources are for this story?

 

[belboid]

It'll be interesting to see what the evidence and sources are for this story?

looks like sweet fa from the released clip -

 

[audiotech]

One for the archive Red Storm:

 

[TopCat]

Bignose said: "
Rubbish..trying hard to stop a worthwhile book on AFA/RA would have been a cuntish thing...having reservations about how it was going to slander a good friend and comrade while his kids are still grieving his passing is another. Ive told you...you choose not to believe it is my contact with Searchlight ended in 1994. I have never spoken with anyone connected with the current two factions about BTF/RA/AFA for nearly two decades. Something you just cant handle."

A digested summary of the shifting position stated by Bignose himself on this very(long) thread would be good and certainly illuminating. Has anyone the strength and time to trawl back over it?

 

[LiamO]

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/anyone-know-whatever-happened-to-mark-benjamin.314592/

that should read Andrew Benjamin btw.

... and while I'm at it.

If anyone knows or is in contact with any ex-Fash from the late 1980's (reformed or unrepenting, foot soldiers or generals) who might be up for being interviewed please let me know by PM

Just to be clear. The book I an researching will be an oral history of a quite specifc period/event - the campaign to Shut down Cutdown/the 'Main Event' in 1989/90.

It will be something along the lines of this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Two-Sides-Hell-Vincent-Bramley/dp/184454821X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1378205761&sr=1-1&keywords=two sides of hell

I hope it will be possible to interview combatants from both sides (and from different agencies... Police, Labour Party councillors, Searchlight etc). Obviously access to the anti-fascist combatants is easy but the other mob might prove a little more problematic. Hence my appeal on here.

My intention is to give the participants free rein to express themselves and keep commentary to a minimum.

 

[sunny jim]

I know I'm pretty impatient but getting BTF on a kindle framework would be a wicked move, I'm still waiting for my copy ordered last Tuesday but just got No Retreat in seconds on Kindle. Mind you, having an actual book will be worth waiting for I suppose. Just hurry up.

 

[love detective]

it should have been out as an ebook long before now but the process of doing it has been delayed & interupted for a variety of reasons (plus various other political complications relating to Hoffmangate etc..) - it will be done at some point though

you should have ordered your copy from the IWCA and it would have been with you by now

 

[sunny jim]

Yaay! Its arrived! Bye bye interweb, for a few days at least!

 

[framed]

Ian Stuart Donaldson and a legacy of hate
http://www.channel4.com/news/ian-stuart-donaldson-a-legacy-of-hate

C4 News celebrates the 'legacy' of ISD. AFA's harrassment of the shit-house, which drove him out of London, is considered significant enough that it had to be acknowledged by C4 News.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Ian Stuart Donaldson and a legacy of hate
http://www.channel4.com/news/ian-stuart-donaldson-a-legacy-of-hate

C4 News celebrates the 'legacy' of ISD. AFA's harrassment of the shit-house, which drove him out of London, is considered significant enough that it had to be acknowledged by C4 News.

Wheeler alert!

 

[love detective]

It's because the piece was done by Brian Whelan that AFA gets a mention

He was meant to have been doing a biography of him at some point

 

[framed]

It's because the piece was done by Brian Whelan that AFA gets a mention

He was meant to have been doing a biography of him at some point

ah right, that explains it. Brian seems generally sympathetic to AFA.

 

[Joe Reilly]

It's because the piece was done by Brian Whelan that AFA gets a mention

He was meant to have been doing a biography of him at some point

It's rather a shame then that the one brief quote he does supply is from No Retreat, and though these things are often deemed subjective, it still manages to be inaccurate on two counts. "The event that seemed to give Stuart the real horrors was when he went out early one morning to buy a newpaper and a pint of milk and was hit across the head by a large mancunian wielding a Lucozade bottle."


Now if there was one event that gave him 'genuine nightmares', as he later confessed to sympathisers, it was when 30-40 anti-fascists mobilised - for a private party in his honour in Hatfield at - 2 am!

He had left just moments before. Had he still been there, he would, he felt, have 'been killed'.

And as for the 9am - 9.30 assault, the weapon of choice was not a Lucozade bottle but a discarded wine bottle picked out of a bin. As it happens Stuart has sufficient presence of mind at the time to try and draw his attackers into the arc of CCTV cameras by backing into the railway station foyer, so wasn't totally traumatised at the time. Nonetheless it seems, perhaps understandably, to have been the final straw and he bailed some days later.

 

[love detective]

yeah surprising he used the account from NR rather than the one in BTF - although remember we did speculate after that interview whether he had actually read the book he was reviewing/interviewing about!