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Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

Half way through this now, having done half during a 6 hour bus journey. Enjoying, a good account of a history that never gets spoken of in the mainstream.

two questions though:

What does it profit the liberal left to so undermine street action at that time? Other than lovely money from labour and so on, where comes the disdain and attempts to outflank in the political sphere? I can't see any downside for these people. They have a deniable militant wing- people willing and able to do the dirty work. So why saddle up High Horse McHigh? Why did Searchlight act as they did?


on a less headscratching but more info asking point: can anyone recc a decent and and accurate account from the other side? I'm sure some must have been mentioned in thread but its long and I haven't the search terms
It would probably take a book of its own to explain why the British left acted and still acts the way that it did. Part of it in my opinion is the contempt in which it holds the white working class, other parts are cowardice and political opportunism, the Fascists are not a threat, look we dealt with them!!

No doubt it runs a lot deeper than this and hopefully someone more articulate than me will be along to go into greater detail.
 
Half way through this now, having done half during a 6 hour bus journey. Enjoying, a good account of a history that never gets spoken of in the mainstream.

two questions though:

What does it profit the liberal left to so undermine street action at that time? Other than lovely money from labour and so on, where comes the disdain and attempts to outflank in the political sphere? I can't see any downside for these people. They have a deniable militant wing- people willing and able to do the dirty work. So why saddle up High Horse McHigh? Why did Searchlight act as they did?


on a less headscratching but more info asking point: can anyone recc a decent and and accurate account from the other side? I'm sure some must have been mentioned in thread but its long and I haven't the search terms

With the revo lefties it was a case theoretically of not being able to shift from an SWP controlled caricature of Trostsky's United Front ie class action versus individual terrorism . You can get a sense of this in this appaulling review of Rosenhafts book on the KPD and anti fascism . http://www.marxists.org/archive/harman/1984/03/squad.htm.. or this one http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj63/bambery.htm
However there was something more to it than that and in my mind it was the fact that the ANL mark 1 , the RtW campaign and the Rank and File all threw up a challange to the SWPs political leadership , othodoxy and attempts at a democratic centralism regime. Militant also had problems with the handful of their members involved in physical anti fascism.

Re the otherside : Joe Owens book is mainly fiction, Eddie Morrisons 'memoirs' are hazy to say the least. Towards the end of BtF there are some comments from the otherside which basically says that AFA had better intelligence, tactics and courage. Mathew Collins book is worth a read imo.
 
Read an interesting review of a book about being from a blackshirt family (obv not exactly relevant here) which looked worth the time from a historical perspective. Will see if I can find title if you're interested DC.
 
Read an interesting review of a book about being from a blackshirt family (obv not exactly relevant here) which looked worth the time from a historical perspective. Will see if I can find title if you're interested DC.
Think i remember the one, his mother used to shout perish Juda as she sent him out the door to school.
 
Think i remember the one, his mother used to shout perish Juda as she sent him out the door to school.
Not actually read it (I'm yer classic bullshitter from reviews :D ) but do recall that being mentioned. Kept him warm on a chill morning I expect.
 
Remember the bloke who used to do Lobster mag wrote a bio of Moseley that was well-rated too, but again not actually read it.
 
Half way through this now, having done half during a 6 hour bus journey. Enjoying, a good account of a history that never gets spoken of in the mainstream.

two questions though:

What does it profit the liberal left to so undermine street action at that time? Other than lovely money from labour and so on, where comes the disdain and attempts to outflank in the political sphere? I can't see any downside for these people. They have a deniable militant wing- people willing and able to do the dirty work. So why saddle up High Horse McHigh? Why did Searchlight act as they did?






many reasons, opportunism, cowardice already mentioned by others. A major factor though, was who their membership were and moreso who the party orientated themselves to, both in class terms.

It was a symbiotic relationship, if they were to have a protest, there would be crash barriers (provided by them, if need be) and you won't be asked to do anything remotely expected of a so-called revolutionary.
The membership knew this, that their white collar and /or professional career structures would not be threatened by arrests as a result of anti fascist activity. The logical outcome was to end up negotiating their safe passage through the day out, with the forces of the state.
Searchlight was far closer to the state from the outset, but at least never put themselves up as 'revolutionary'.

from the other side, I'm waiting for the book Frank P said he was researching a couple of years back.
 
Matthew Collins' one is the only one I've read. But he's Hope not Hate so perhaps also has an agenda to downplay AFA. They certainly didn't feature heavily in the tale (although they did feature, or was it Red Action) and iirc he didn't attribute the defeat of the far right on the streets to them.
 
Matthew Collins' one is the only one I've read. But he's Hope not Hate so perhaps also has an agenda to downplay AFA. They certainly didn't feature heavily in the tale (although they did feature, or was it Red Action) and iirc he didn't attribute the defeat of the far right on the streets to them.

The book is about him , the entire book is about him, him, him. To be fair he does briefly mention RA in a faintly positive way compared to the ANL/SWP.
 
Wee Christmas present to yourself...?

http://beatingthefascists.org/

I'm confused by you responding to me with a link to a summary of a book I've read. Have I made an untrue claim in my post (which would be easier to simply correct than making me read a lengthy summary to find the answer myself) or does that summary contain suggestions of history as written through the eyes of the far right that I missed?
 
I'm confused by you responding to me with a link to a summary of a book I've read. Have I made an untrue claim in my post (which would be easier to simply correct than making me read a lengthy summary to find the answer myself) or does that summary contain suggestions of history as written through the eyes of the far right that I missed?

Erm no, took your 'Matthew Collins's one if the only one I've read' bit as meaning you hadn't read BTF. Nothing sinister, just misunderstood you ;)
 
Erm no, took your 'Matthew Collins's one if the only one I've read' bit as meaning you hadn't read BTF. Nothing sinister, just misunderstood you ;)

They're asking for credible stories from the enemy. Unsurprisingly there's not many suggestions. :D
 
Matthew Collins' one is the only one I've read. But he's Hope not Hate so perhaps also has an agenda to downplay AFA. They certainly didn't feature heavily in the tale (although they did feature, or was it Red Action) and iirc he didn't attribute the defeat of the far right on the streets to them.

yeah its the best ive read (several times) and he does give RA several mentions. AFA not. morrisons 'memoirs' are bollocks as he has been drunk most of the time. joey owens nietzschean misunderstanding are just nonsense. o mahoneys Hateland is illustrative of how pissed and clueless they are but has unreliable dates, names etc. tim hepples is cowritten with gerry gable and annoying. chubby hendersons is so disingenuous as to be laughable (as is his headhunters co-defendant steve hickmott's). the grundy book mentions 43 group and how scared the fash were of them but is pretty unenlightening and depressing. there was something by the fash in leeds called white lies which was quite well written in parts and downloadable but the link is gone. i cant believe how much of this shit ive actually read of late. rosenhaft's book is one of the best books on militant anti-fascism i have read.
 
The recent history has been pretty boring other than the split.

Leigh Bridge incident :D -- just seen the year was 2009.

He's got a claw hammer in his head,
He's got a claw hammer in his head,
etc...

Wasn't it, to the tune of "He's got the whole world in in His hands"

Tony Ward's got a Chinese wife,
Tony Ward's got a Chinese wife,
Tony Ward's got a Chinese wife,
And a claw-hammer in his head

I swear there was other verses too :D
 
yeah its the best ive read (several times) and he does give RA several mentions. AFA not. morrisons 'memoirs' are bollocks as he has been drunk most of the time. joey owens nietzschean misunderstanding are just nonsense. o mahoneys Hateland is illustrative of how pissed and clueless they are but has unreliable dates, names etc. tim hepples is cowritten with gerry gable and annoying. chubby hendersons is so disingenuous as to be laughable (as is his headhunters co-defendant steve hickmott's). the grundy book mentions 43 group and how scared the fash were of them but is pretty unenlightening and depressing. there was something by the fash in leeds called white lies which was quite well written in parts and downloadable but the link is gone. i cant believe how much of this shit ive actually read of late. rosenhaft's book is one of the best books on militant anti-fascism i have read.

White Lies- the Appleyard pamphlet?
 
i dont know who wrote it - and the fash blamed larry o at one point! appleyard is the violent thug, white a grass it seems. i was surprisingly impressed until i noticed the repetition of 'we all met in the pub that afternoon ...' and 'after the pub...' - bunch of drunks.
 
yeah its the best ive read (several times) and he does give RA several mentions. AFA not.

That probably says more about his 'war record' than AFA's. He never was a 'face' or string puller for one. So his view of the strategic landscape was never likely to have been an elevated one. Moreover he's only claim to fame or infamy if you prefer, is that he turned his coat, so his view of the 'other side' will undoubtedly be coloured by his new friends; so all in all a thoroughly unreliable narrator. On an equally cynical level, writing AFA out of history and or damning RA with faint praise is of course a Searchlight signature but is also more common than you'd imagine even in otherwise seemingly respectable anti-fascist circles: Jeremy Corbyn for example.
 
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