Barbara Ellen on "female on male" violence

[Pickman's model]

What sort of violence have I claimed it to be?

you say 'all violence is wrong'. so, what - in your opinion - does this violence consist of?

 

[quimcunx]

She states clearly that she thinks it ok for women to get drunk and slap men, that just sort phase some women go through, that she has done it herself.

Can you quote the bit where she clearly states this?

 

[Ld222]

Can you quote the bit where she clearly states this?

That is the jist of the article

 

[Ld222]

you say 'all violence is wrong'. so, what - in your opinion - does this violence consist of?

Why??

 

[el-ahrairah]

for god's sake FridgeMagnet, ban this moron or it'll be what-about-the-mensing all over the place.

 

[Ld222]

Oh you're back. Unfortunately verbose as it is, your above declaration amounts to little more than bad stuff shouldn't happen.

So are we not individuals then? Capable of individual thought? That we shouldn't be categorised by gender. Did you even read the post?

 

[Ld222]

for god's sake FridgeMagnet, ban this moron or it'll be what-about-the-mensing all over the place.

You really are blinded by your own prejudice, are we not individuals?

 

[cesare]

I'm not.

 

[quimcunx]

That is the jist of the article

There was one paragraph where she acknowledged that some women do sometimes get physically violent but she doesn't say it's ok.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why??

why what?

 

[ViolentPanda]

What sort of violence have I claimed it to be?

In the context of your thread title, more endemic than it is. You've portrayed it (and by "it" we can only mean what Ellen admits to in the article you posted - drunken slapping- extrapolating anything else from her comment would, I'm sure you'll agree, be dishonest arsery) as a significant problem. It' isn't.

 

[Pickman's model]

So are we not individuals then? Capable of individual thought? That we shouldn't be categorised by gender. Did you even read the post?

out of curiosity, are you down at your dr's as male or female?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

for god's sake FridgeMagnet, ban this moron or it'll be what-about-the-mensing all over the place.

TBH I think this one's got many, many hours of paintstaking work to put in before it manages anything as coherent or insightful as 'but what about the mens?'

 

[Pickman's model]

TBH I think this one's got many, many hours of paintstaking work to put in before it manages anything as coherent or insightful as 'but what about the mens?'

he's speaking out of his mens rea

 

[ViolentPanda]

I would hardly regard her position as neutral, would you?

I haven't claimed that her position is neutral.
Her position is actually irrelevant to the point of whether or not your opening argument is at all accurate, though.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That is the jist of the article

In other words, you've interpreted Ms. Ellen's article to say that she's arguing for female on male violence.
Unfortunately for you, most others reading it, have interpreted it to say something entirely different. That she's admitting to having participated in such violence when drunk, and that in some circumstances, it may be excusable.

 

[ViolentPanda]

he's speaking out of his mens rea

That's dire!

 

[Ld222]

There was one paragraph where she acknowledged that some women do sometimes get physically violent but she doesn't say it's ok.

But, not near as bad as MOF violence. I say neither is acceptable and should not be played off one another!!!

 

[trabuquera]

what's your position on acts of armed counterinsurgency by oppressed indigenous peasantry against the forces of the central state, ld222? Like in mexico maybe? (just an example, like.)

 

[Ld222]

In the context of your thread title, more endemic than it is. You've portrayed it (and by "it" we can only mean what Ellen admits to in the article you posted - drunken slapping- extrapolating anything else from her comment would, I'm sure you'll agree, be dishonest arsery) as a significant problem. It' isn't.

She is down playing FOM violence and well you know it. Unprovoked violence is wrong regardless of gender.

I haven't claimed that her position is neutral.
Her position is actually irrelevant to the point of whether or not your opening argument is at all accurate, though.

I never claimed you did.

If that is the point she is trying to put across why not just called like it is.

In other words, you've interpreted Ms. Ellen's article to say that she's arguing for female on male violence.
Unfortunately for you, most others reading it, have interpreted it to say something entirely different. That she's admitting to having participated in such violence when drunk, and that in some circumstances, it may be excusable.

How can it be excusable to attack some one unprovoked?

 

[Ld222]

what's your position on acts of armed counterinsurgency by oppressed indigenous peasantry against the forces of the central state, ld222? Like in mexico maybe? (just an example, like.)

Is this the sort of stuff your talking about

'Delegate Zero' and the 'Other campaign'

Mexico welcomes Zapatistas' tour

The Zapatista leader wants to be known as "Delegate Zero"
Mexico's government has welcomed a nationwide political tour by the Zapatista rebel movement, saying it will boost the county's democracy.
A spokesman for Mexico's president made the comments as the Zapatistas arrived in the southern city of San Cristobal de las Casas to address local groups.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4576438.stm

On The Trail of “The Other Campaign”
by John Gibler
CHIAPAS, Mexico - At the opening of the 2006 presidential campaigns in Mexico, one man stands out in front. He faces crowds of thousands in downtown plazas and town-hall meetings. He makes three stops a day, traveling up to eight hours in the backseat of a long, white van trailed by a caravan of over thirty cars. Scores of reporters and photographers from the national press corps follow him in a swarm of cameras and microphones held high.

But this man does not want votes, and he does not accept campaign donations. Sub-comandante Marcos, a balaclava-clad guerrilla rebel who has been in the jungle for over twenty years, wants to listen.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0118-21.htm

 

[butchersapron]

I think they meant more the shooting war.

 

[Pickman's model]

She is down playing FOM violence and well you know it. Unprovoked violence is wrong regardless of gender.



I never claimed you did.

If that is the point she is trying to put across why not just called like it is.



How can it be excusable to attack some one unprovoked?

you piss on and on about 'violence' but you can't say what it is. pisspoor.

 

[Ld222]

I think they meant more the shooting war.

The Zapatista Army of National Liberation (Ejército Zapatista de Liberación Nacional, EZLN), often referred to as the Zapatistas, is a revolutionary leftist group based in Chiapas, the southernmost state of Mexico.

Since 1994, the group has been in a declared war "against the Mexican state", although this war has been 'primarily defensive', against military, paramilitary and corporate incursions into Chiapas

What like the 'primarily defensive war' that the Zapatista's have been fighting against the big corporations and their allies in Mexico?

 

[butchersapron]

The Zapatista Army of National Liberation (Ejército Zapatista de Liberación Nacional, EZLN), often referred to as the Zapatistas, is a revolutionary leftist group based in Chiapas, the southernmost state of Mexico.

Since 1994, the group has been in a declared war "against the Mexican state", although this war has been 'primarily defensive', against military, paramilitary and corporate incursions into Chiapas

What like the 'primarily defensive war' that the Zapatista's have been fighting against the big corporations and their allies in Mexico?

See how the example of justified violence expands? From all violence is wrong to war is right in one step. You've just tied the rope around your own neck.

 

[el-ahrairah]

You really are blinded by your own prejudice, are we not individuals?

aw, are you a special snowflake? and women can't see just how sensitive and special you really are? even in your best specialist fedora?

 

[Ld222]

you piss on and on about 'violence' but you can't say what it is. pisspoor.

What do mean by 'piss'?

 

[Pickman's model]

What do mean by 'piss'?

you mention violence repeatedly. what do you mean by violence? (i think this is the fifth time i've asked now)

 

[Ld222]

See how the example of justified violence expands? From all violence is wrong to war is right in one step. You've just tied the rope around your own neck.

Where have I justified violence?

 

[el-ahrairah]

How can it be excusable to attack some one unprovoked?

i know someone who's provoking right now.