Barbara Ellen on "female on male" violence

[Glitter]

Nobody is saying that men aren't victims of domestic violence. In fact, I'd say the subject gets far more coverage proportionately because every single time violence against women is discussed someone always pipes up bleating 'what about teh menz'

Two women a week are murdered by their partners. Murdered. And that statistic doesn't take into account the hundreds of thousands of women living in fear as a result of physical, emotional, sexual or financial abuse.

Bit of perspective required please.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just read the article. There is no excuse for attacking someone regardless of gender. Barbra Ellen is trivialising violence.

so if you saw someone attacking someone else you'd go 'it's all wrong, man' rather than stepping in to help the attackee.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

so if you saw someone attacking someone else you'd go 'it's all wrong, man' rather than stepping in to help the attackee.

Over here attackee is a sports shoe ....
Picture that

 

[1927]

Nobody is saying that men aren't victims of domestic violence. In fact, I'd say the subject gets far more coverage proportionately because every single time violence against women is discussed someone always pipes up bleating 'what about teh menz'

Two women a week are murdered by their partners. Murdered. And that statistic doesn't take into account the hundreds of thousands of women living in fear as a result of physical, emotional, sexual or financial abuse.

Bit of perspective required please.

Interesting that you say that proportionately male victims get more coverage! What proportion of DV do you think is female on male for you to decide that the coverage is disproportionate?

 

[Glitter]

Interesting that you say that proportionately male victims get more coverage! What proportion of DV do you think is female on male for you to decide that the coverage is disproportionate?

Women's aid stats have male on female dv at almost double. I didn't 'just decide'

http://www.womensaid.org.uk/core/core_picker/download.asp?id=1602

 

[Batboy]

Women's aid stats have male on female dv at almost double. I didn't 'just decide'

http://www.womensaid.org.uk/core/core_picker/download.asp?id=1602

To be fair that means 66% of victims are women 33% men. If there are one million victims of DV then Women's Aid own stats mean that 333,000 are men, I'd hardly say that is disproportionate. Whatever way you look at it ALL violence is wrong. Recent reports have suggested women are getting more aggressive and violent, although personally I think that is increasing amongst all people. Aggressive behaviour and anger is far more prevalent.

I hate the way this is polarised.... I'm going off to the bake a scone thread, it's going to be a much better use of buns, looking at the way this thread is going to go!

 

[ViolentPanda]

She states clearly that she thinks it ok for women to get drunk and slap men, that just sort phase some women go through, that she has done it herself.

She's not "arguing for female-on-male violence" as you claim, she's merely stating that it happens sometimes when some women get drunk.
Ever heard of "critical thinking"? How about trying it some time?

 

[ViolentPanda]

How has it?? Barbra clearly arguing that its ok for woman to get drunk and get 'slap happy'.

"Clearly arguing"? Only if you take her monologue to have meaning beyond "I did this when I was young, stupid and pissed". It's confessional, not a call-to-arms.

Do you not regard this as violence??

Violence is violence.
Still, it's not the type of violence you claimed it to be.

 

[ViolentPanda]

When a man attacks a woman in public people defend her but when the tables are turned, people simply laugh.



That’s the disturbing finding of a public experiment conducted in a London park filmed for an advertisement about domestic violence against men.

The video, created by DareLondon for the Mankind Initiative, shows how shocked and angry onlookers quickly intervene when the male actor fakes a violent assault on his ‘girlfriend’ – also an actor.

But when they change roles the public’s reaction – caught on three hidden cameras – is entirely different.

Onlookers can be seen laughing as the woman physically abuses and belittles her partner in full view of dozens of people.

The video has been viewed over a million times on YouTube and is generating discussion on Twitter with the hashtag #ViolenceIsViolence.

While the majority of family violence victims in Australia are women, domestic abuse against men is more common than often thought.

Australian Bureau of Statistics figures from December show 33.3 percent of people abused by their current partner are men.

Greg Andresen, senior researcher with male domestic abuse support group One-In-Three, said the video highlights two assumptions male abuse victims face: that they are probably at fault and that they should "man up" and take it.

"Even when the tables are turned people assume that he's the abuser and she's probably just getting her own back," Andresen told ninemsn. "It's a sort of 'you go girl' attitude."

He also believes people do not rush to help the man because men are "big and tough" and are never going to be seriously hurt.

"The evidence shows that when men are in an abusive relationship women are more likely to compensate by using weapons such as knives, guns or pouring boiling water over their partners," he said.

"Violence happens to men too and people should never think of violence as a joke."


Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/2...ugh-when-woman-abuses-man#CX6JCJVIPXuCY9bm.99

The video is what is known as "value-laden" - it naturalises assumptions on the basis of poor evidence.
reproduce this as a controlled experiment, and I might give it the time of day. As it is, it's just propaganda.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You inexcusable fucking imbecile.

I bet you're one of those feminazis!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Perhaps the concept of debate is lost on you!!!

Given that your opening argument is that someone is advocating female-on-male violence, when they are not, then I'm not sure you're in any position to sound off on the concept of debate.

 

[ViolentPanda]

How so?

"All violence is wrong" is the sort of trite banality someone who doesn't engage their brain will trot out. It's meaningless because, of course, all violence isn't wrong. Sometimes violence is a necessary element to human interaction.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The irony. It burns.

Like water on a witch!

 

[ViolentPanda]

How patronising. So what is your point then?

It would only be patronising if she were talking down to you for no reason.
She's talking down to you for a reason - because you're very obviously unable to engage in critical thinking.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is any there any chance of actually debating the issue, ffs!! Violence begets violence, it is wrong. To does mean that you should use to defend yourself.

Defence involves violence. Surely, by your lights, then defending oneself from violence is as wrong as initiating violence?

 

[Ld222]

Solange Knowles was out of line regardless, she had completely lost the run herself, there is no excusing that!! It is interesting that to even dare question Barbra Ellens article, that 'I' have somehow taking the 'side' of a particular gender. Even labeled a misogynist.

So much for being individuals, capable of individual thought. We are all human 'beans' for crying out loud!!

We live in a era where some people treat their pets better than other human beings.

All violence is wrong, if you have to reciprocate it to quell an attack, fair enough, but it doesn't make hurting another human being any easier to stomach.

Using profanity, or taking down to someone during the discourse of a debate does not do anything to validate your argument. sin é!!

 

[xenon]

So who was this div with poor reading comprehension skills?

 

[xenon]

Solange Knowles was out of line regardless, she had completely lost the run herself, there is no excusing that!! It is interesting that to even dare question Barbra Ellens article, that 'I' have somehow taking the 'side' of a particular gender. Even labeled a misogynist.

So much for being individuals, capable of individual thought. We are all human 'beans' for crying out loud!!

We live in a era where some people treat their pets better than other human beings.

All violence is wrong, if you have to reciprocate it to quell an attack, fair enough, but it doesn't make hurting another human being any easier to stomach.

Using profanity, or taking down to someone during the discourse of a debate does not do anything to validate your argument. sin é!!

Oh you're back. Unfortunately verbose as it is, your above declaration amounts to little more than bad stuff shouldn't happen.

 

[xenon]

And TBF I think people are for the most part, just taking issue with your original highly misleading thread title.

 

[el-ahrairah]

I'm saying women should not get drunk and go around slapping men. What is wrong with that. You clearly think it is okay.

Do you really have to use such profanity while addressing me??

it would be ok if all the women in the world got absolutely lathered and then formed a drunken queue with the aim of taking turns at thrashing the bloody life out of trickly-dicks like yourself. that would be acceptable levels of violence.

in fact, we could put that on pay-per-view and retire.

 

[el-ahrairah]

 

[Ld222]

Solange Knowles' digital sales rise after Jay Z scrap
Sales of tracks have increased 233% after CCTV footage showed Solange allegedly hitting her brother-in-law

http://www.theguardian.com/music/20...digital-sales-rise-leaked-jay-z-beyonce-video

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Is there a new policy of a short ban for being a complete idiot?

Seems like the mods are setting up a lot of work for themselves.

 

[ffsear]

I just finished working with a 19 year old lad who has arms bigger than my thighs who is three months into a community service gig. Why? he 'casually' backhanded his mrs and broke her nose and jaw. Because he is a solid unit of muscle and she is an ordinary, slight but not ill woman. He has her forgiveness (not back together tho), a course of anger management and his community service. When I asked him what he was thinking he said he was complete sober, angry and just lashing out- but his course has been showing him how what he thinks as a light slap is actually a fucking serious assault from someone with that power in their arms. He's 19 so maybe its for the best, but why has it taken the state to teach this unit that his 'light slap' is other peoples GBH?

Is he on roids?

 

[DotCommunist]

Is he on roids?

I did ask, but no, he's just hench

 

[Pickman's model]

Over here attackee is a sports shoe ....
Picture that

strange there's no obvious references to that on the interweb

 

[Pickman's model]

Solange Knowles was out of line regardless, she had completely lost the run herself, there is no excusing that!! It is interesting that to even dare question Barbra Ellens article, that 'I' have somehow taking the 'side' of a particular gender. Even labeled a misogynist.

So much for being individuals, capable of individual thought. We are all human 'beans' for crying out loud!!

We live in a era where some people treat their pets better than other human beings.

All violence is wrong, if you have to reciprocate it to quell an attack, fair enough, but it doesn't make hurting another human being any easier to stomach.

Using profanity, or taking down to someone during the discourse of a debate does not do anything to validate your argument. sin é!!

yes yes, dear, but what do you think violence is? let me have your definition.

 

[Ld222]

"Clearly arguing"? Only if you take her monologue to have meaning beyond "I did this when I was young, stupid and pissed". It's confessional, not a call-to-arms.



Violence is violence.
Still, it's not the type of violence you claimed it to be.

What sort of violence have I claimed it to be?

 

[Ld222]

I just finished working with a 19 year old lad who has arms bigger than my thighs who is three months into a community service gig. Why? he 'casually' backhanded his mrs and broke her nose and jaw. Because he is a solid unit of muscle and she is an ordinary, slight but not ill woman. He has her forgiveness (not back together tho), a course of anger management and his community service. When I asked him what he was thinking he said he was complete sober, angry and just lashing out- but his course has been showing him how what he thinks as a light slap is actually a fucking serious assault from someone with that power in their arms. He's 19 so maybe its for the best, but why has it taken the state to teach this unit that his 'light slap' is other peoples GBH?

He clearly has not learnt any lessons if he still thinks that was a light slap.

 

[Ld222]

Given that your opening argument is that someone is advocating female-on-male violence, when they are not, then I'm not sure you're in any position to sound off on the concept of debate.

I would hardly regard her position as neutral, would you?