Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[LLETSA]

Oh so now tattooees hate themselves

Not as much as I hate most of them.

But yes-voluntary violence against your own body is clearly a form of self-hatred. It's a thin line between self-harm and so-called body art. And at least with self-harm you don't have to pay a charlatan white-man-with-dreads to do it for you.

Society has shed its sense of self-respect.

 

[_angel_]

Not as much as I hate most of them.

But yes-voluntary violence against your own body is clearly a form of self-hatred. It's a thin line between self-harm and so-called body art. And at least with self-harm you don't have to pay a charlatan white-man-with-dreads to do it for you.

Society has shed its sense of self-respect.

I didn't know editor did tattoos?

 

[Hocus Eye.]

It isn't just my opinion that privately educated people are wankers though, is it?

In fact it is the opinion of everyone, except those who went to private school themselves. Such universally held opinions are generally accorded the status of objective truth.

(my emphasis)

Here we have another collectable and hilarious dwyerism. This man is to philosophy what William McGonagall is to poetry.

 

[Greebo]

Hancock's Half Hour.

Half cocked half hour, more like.

 

[LLETSA]

dotty:

I dread to think what lletsa would have to say on the matter of henna tatooes. By their transient nature and hennas association with that cult of individualism 'hippydom' henna tatts would surely rank as even more annoying to the man.

I didn't used to mind tattoos when they gave you a bit of a clue as to who you were dealing with, but today's fashion for over-the-top tattooing has nothing whatsoever to do with individualism or 'self-expression.'

By pushing selfishness and narcissism to the centre-stage, ripe for exploitation by capital, the hippies actually won. No movement ever turns out the way you thought it would, but what we see around us today is largely the result of their pioneering work.

 

[LLETSA]

Half cocked half hour, more like.

The mockery of some people on here only reinforces my conviction that irony is now lost on society.

 

[Greebo]

(my emphasis)

Here we have another collectable and hilarious dwyerism. This man is to philosophy what William McGonagall is to poetry.

I'm not saying his posts are short and snappy, but at least he gives other posters a warm glow of (undeserved?) superiority about their own. If we all wrote in the same way, you'd never spot the sock puppets.

 

[audiotech]

You don't half talk some rot. Sham tolerance? Permanent teenagerdom? Are you Tony Parsons?

To be frank, I'm intolerant of tolerance, which is indeed a sham.

 

[Orang Utan]

You HATE them? Seriously?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Where the fuck are you then?

They seek him here,
they seek him there.
Those posters seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven,
or is he in hell?
That damned elusive
L-L-ET-SA.

 

[Greebo]

dotty:

I dread to think what lletsa would have to say on the matter of henna tatooes. By their transient nature and hennas association with that cult of individualism 'hippydom' henna tatts would surely rank as even more annoying to the man.

Oh, I don't know. They're less commercialised than inked tattoos, as they're easier to do on yourself.

 

[The39thStep]

dotty:

so the aztecs, the polynesians, the p-celts presumably had a village elder/eeyore who would look scornfully upon designs worked in woad and scoff that it is all distraction and vapidity for a generation of empty-headed fools.

There is always a temptation to say if something or ever went on in some early civ then it must have value and relevance. I went to a conference once which banged on about how natives in the America continents in holding discussions would allow individuals to make a pitch to discuss a subject, those interested could then go to the discussion they wished but could move to any other group at any time. Hence a number of simultaneous disillusion could take place without totally excluding anyone.

Marvellous the audience thought how inclusive and sensitive to others can you get but when you thought about it the natives also spent a lot of time chopping peoples heads off to play an early version of basketball.

 

[frogwoman]

Not as much as I hate most of them.

But yes-voluntary violence against your own body is clearly a form of self-hatred. It's a thin line between self-harm and so-called body art. And at least with self-harm you don't have to pay a charlatan white-man-with-dreads to do it for you.

Society has shed its sense of self-respect.

dotty:

this stunning insight was brought to you in association with lletsa

 

[Greebo]

They seek him here,
they seek him there.
Those posters seek him everywhere.
<snip>

Do we even really care,
As long as he stays out
Of my hair.

 

[LLETSA]

You HATE them? Seriously?

I even hate me.

 

[Balbi]

Is LLETSA writing for the political opposite equivalent to PD? As hysterical and overdramatic as the Penny herself.

 

[LLETSA]

They seek him here,
they seek him there.
Those posters seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven,
or is he in hell?
That damned elusive
L-L-ET-SA.

I'm not particualrly elusive-I'm where I am most of the time.

 

[Orang Utan]

What's PD?
<LLETSA> people are so lazy these days. It's acronym this, acronym that. They obviously have no self-respect</LLETSA>

 

[frogwoman]

There is always a temptation to say if something or ever went on in some early civ then it must have value and relevance. I went to a conference once which banged on about how natives in the America continents in holding discussions would allow individuals to make a pitch to discuss a subject, those interested could then go to the discussion they wished but could move to any other group at any time. Hence a number of simultaneous disillusion could take place without totally excluding anyone.

Marvellous the audience thought how inclusive and sensitive to others can you get but when you thought about it the natives also spent a lot of time chopping peoples heads off to play an early version of basketball.

dotty:

yer, theres also some question as to what we know about the function of tatooes in ancient cultures- body art or 'rictual' or social standing signifiers? I recon art, based on absolutely nothing ...

also, for lletsa

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0288114/

'Mark of Cain' a fascinating docu about russian prison tatts from the old school to now. Is as much about russian jails as it is tatts.

 

[LLETSA]

Is LLETSA writing for the political opposite equivalent to PD? As hysterical and overdramatic as the Penny herself.

That plain common sense and articulating the obvious are now defined as hysterical again only reinforces what I've been saying.

In failing to notice that their radical liberalism was long ago stolen from them, hollowed out, packaged up and sold back to them at an inflated price, the Urban75 rebels are, like most of today's radicals, blind to their own smug impotence. The revolution sponsored by Benetton.

Enjoy it while it lasts. The age of infantilism is your heyday.

 

[Orang Utan]

You're no Orwell LLETSA

 

[Joe Reilly]

How rude

In latin obviously, that would be real classy.

 

[Greebo]

What's PD?
<LLETSA> people are so lazy these days. It's acronym this, acronym that. They obviously have no self-respect</LLETSA>

It could be the acronym for a high circulation periodical within one increasingly fashionable subculture, but somehow I doubt it.

 

[frogwoman]

dotty:

The revolution will not be sponsored by benneton. possibly not televised either but tweeted and Grace Petrie will provide the soundtrack lol

 

[rekil]

You're no Orwell LLETSA

 

[Greebo]

I didn't used to mind tattoos when they gave you a bit of a clue as to who you were dealing with, but today's fashion for over-the-top tattooing has nothing whatsoever to do with individualism or 'self-expression.'<snip>

What's your opinion of tattoos (be they ink or henna) done for ritual purposes, if they're not displayed in public?

 

[LLETSA]

You're no Orwell LLETSA

True. Who could possibly match Orwell's seminal essay on 'Body Art'?

 

[LLETSA]

Actually, thinking about it, if Orwell were alive today he'd probably never have anything published as he'd be spending most of his time arseing around on the internet talking to some gobshites.

But if he did, he'd fit right in as most of what he had to say wasn't particularly insightful.

 

[audiotech]

The road to Wigan tattoo parlour.

 

[LLETSA]

What's your opinion of tattoos (be they ink or henna) done for ritual purposes, if they're not displayed in public?

I have no opinion on, or knowledge of, tattoos done for ritual purposes.