Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[tufty79]

Narcissists piss me off. And anyone who utters the word "triggering" is a bloody tool.

sorry

 

[fractionMan]

 

[rekil]

we should petition to rename the thread "general all-purpose whinging at the lefty commentariat thread (with extra bitterness)" and let's end the confusion, because it really would be bullying if every one of the endless number of posts here was just personally attacking Laurie for shits and giggles, but it's not like that, this thread goes off on all sorts of mad tangents now.

As long as "granny tattoos" gets to be in the title I don't give a shit what the thread is called.

 

[Firky]

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[tufty79]

Stavvers uses a lot of trigger warnings. I think it probably can be useful for some people... not really sure what to make of it.

Over used I reckon.

there's a relevant time and place for them. especially if you know what your target audience's triggerysubjects/odd things are. imo.
they can be overused, but equally, they can be used well and wisely.

 

[Balbi]

Still going chaps? Jolly good.

 

[DotCommunist]

this thread will never die

 

[tufty79]

this thread will never die

seeing as how it's been popping up in my dreams a few times i think it might be a Draugr

 

[Balbi]

Every two months Laurie resurrects like a shit Jesus who nobody could even be bothered to betray.

 

[DotCommunist]

my subs my subs, why have they forsaken me

 

[Firky]

nobody could even be bothered to betray.

 

[Tom A]

How about coining the term "Pennista" for all those who follow in the footsteps of our beloved Miss Ms. (money) Penny?

 

[Dan U]

I'm getting nowhere with this. You're probably decent people individually, but together you behave like a pack of playground bullies, and your lack of empathy is shocking. I've tried in good faith to engage; you'd be hard-pressed to find another columnist who would- and I regret ever doing so.

*coughs* jayrayner *coughs*

 

[Balbi]

How about coining the term "Pennista" for all those who follow in the footsteps of our beloved Miss Ms. (money) Penny?

To be shortened to Penis for brevity in common usage.

"Oh, yes - he's a right Penis he is"

 

[Tom A]

"Oh, yes - he's a right Pennis he is"

 

[Bakunin]

Every two months Laurie resurrects like a shit Jesus who nobody could even be bothered to betray.

A bit like an Immortal from Highlander, only possibly a more viable candidate for summary decapitation.

 

[rekil]

I'm getting nowhere with this. You're probably decent people individually, but together you behave like a pack of playground bullies, and your lack of empathy is shocking. I've tried in good faith to engage; you'd be hard-pressed to find another columnist who would- and I regret ever doing so.

*coughs* jayrayner *coughs*

How many columnists is Paddick worth?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1866274.stm

It's moronic anyway. There are journalists, writers, authors and all sorts on here. One was nearly killed in Genoa. I remember that Naomi Klein liked to 'engage' back in the day, and still does afaik. Funny how she manages it without being a total dick eh? (awaits torrent of Klein is dick anecdotes). Apart from that, journos have always been trying to wheedle their way into' groups for one reason or another, whether it's for hatchet jobs or the gloriously naked careerism of the likes of Laurie.

As for the interesting playground bullies comment. My local primary and secondary schools don't even have playgrounds. Prefab classrooms have been plonked on them due to overcrowding. Check your gigantic posh school privilege Laurie.

 

[TruXta]

Narcissists piss me off. And anyone who utters the word "triggering" is a bloody tool.

Why's triggering bad language?

 

[Greebo]

Why's triggering bad language?

Because it's pleading victimhood?

 

[fractionMan]

Why's triggering bad language?

It's a pretentious word that's only used by pretentious people. I'd never heard of it before this thread. It's a word that's used to shut down debate and reminds me of people sticking their fingers in their ears. It's taking offence lite. "I'm finding your behavior deeply triggering." I don't like what you're saying so I'm not going to listen to it.

 

[Idris2002]

How many columnists is Paddick worth?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1866274.stm

It's moronic anyway. There are journalists, writers, authors and all sorts on here. I remember that Naomi Klein liked to 'engage' back in the day, and still does afaik. Funny how she manages it without being a total dick eh? (awaits torrent of Klein is dick anecdotes). Apart from that, journos have always been trying to wheedle their way into' groups for one reason or another, whether it's for hatchet jobs or the gloriously naked careerism of the likes of Laurie.

As for the interesting playground bullies comment. My local primary and secondary schools don't even have playgrounds. Prefab classrooms have been plonked on them due to overcrowding. Check your gigantic posh school privilege Laurie.

You think maybe we could get that Camila Vallejo on the boards?

 

[TruXta]

Because it's pleading victimhood?

Even if you are one? I've heard plenty of people use the word in completely reasonable contexts, such as "this text contains triggers for x, y and z". How's that pleading victimhood? If you ARE in fact a victim of say for instance rape?

 

[TruXta]

It's a pretentious word that's only used by pretentious people. I'd never heard of it before this thread. It's a word that's used to shut down debate.

Sorry, but that's a bit of a thin excuse. It might well be more of an Americanism, but unlike for instance "intersectionalism" it has an immediately obvious and clear meaning, no jargonistas need apply. And IME it's no more used to shut down debate than the words "class" or "capitalism".

 

[fractionMan]

What's the purpose? To flag things with the things they contain?

 

[TruXta]

What's the purpose? To flag things with the things they contain?

Yup.

 

[Greebo]

Even if you are one? I've heard plenty of people use the word in completely reasonable contexts, such as "this text contains triggers for x, y and z". How's that pleading victimhood? If you ARE in fact a victim of say for instance rape?

What if I am in fact a victim of being buried under a heap of buttons or having been stung badly by a wasp?

If you take this apparently fine idea to its logical conclusion, anything and everything should carry a trigger warning, just to be on the safe side.

 

[fractionMan]

Yup.

Maybe I'm missing the context of that penny quote.

Perhaps she found the content of what she read truly traumatising. It's from "trauma trigger", right?

 

[Favelado]

this thread will never die

They said that about hardcore though.

 

[TruXta]

What if I am in fact a victim of being buried under a heap of buttons or having been stung badly by a wasp?

If you take this apparently fine idea to its logical conclusion, anything and everything should carry a trigger warning, just to be on the safe side.

Of course there's the danger of abusing the concept. Doesn't make it a bad concept. Is racism a bad word because people misuse it?

Maybe I'm missing the context of that penny quote.

Perhaps she found the content of what she read truly traumatising. It's from "trauma trigger", right?

I'm not sure where the term first became popularised. Either way, it's a bit too easy to sit here and say "no, you can't use the word "triggering" because that's you pleading victimhood."

 

[fractionMan]

Of course there's the danger of abusing the concept. Doesn't make it a bad concept. Is racism a bad word because people misuse it?

I'm not sure where the term first became popularised. Either way, it's a bit too easy to sit here and say "no, you can't use the word "triggering" because that's you pleading victimhood."

Being traumatised is not the same as being offended, shocked, repulsed, angry, annoyed or finding something disagreeable/distasteful and people should be careful about overusing the word.

I'd argue that instead of triggering, she should have used traumatising, if that's what she meant. Everyone knows what that means, no lingo involved.