cesare
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I didn't know he was renowned for chino wearing!
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Or dad dancing...
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
J Ed
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I don't understand why they are calling it a 'deliberate provocation', I would prefer that broadcast media endorsed no religious events but if they are going to endorse, cover and fawn over Anglican and Catholic goings on and celebrations then I don't see the problem with Ramadan but presenting it as they have seems irresponsible.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I like to think that in some small way I have been a role model for him
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
I fear they are calling it that precisely to deliberately provoke UKIP or the Council of Ex-Muslims or whoever.
Also Channel 4 are not going to fawn over Catholic goings on.
Should we expect a daily 5-minute Westminster Cathedral blessing after Mass session during Lent next year as part of their minority coverage? It's possible but unlikely IMO.
What do you think J Ed ?
Also Channel 4 are not going to fawn over Catholic goings on.
Should we expect a daily 5-minute Westminster Cathedral blessing after Mass session during Lent next year as part of their minority coverage? It's possible but unlikely IMO.
What do you think J Ed ?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
A lot of women like the more mature man in my experience
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Or sabbath candle times announced on the news.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
That's much less invasive would take at most 30 seconds it's a single time before sunset - far shorter than the whole ezaan.
Perhaps some mini-prayer calls from the Baha'i Kitab-i Akdas during the nineteen-day fast?
The problem is the Jedi community have failed - utterly failed - to impose any kind of fasting requirement on their followers. How can people take the religion seriously when they fail to do so?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
The problem is the Jedi community have failed - utterly failed - to impose any kind of fasting requirement on their followers. How can people take the religion seriously when they fail to do so?
Call themselves a religion
and they probably have the most programming 
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
cesare
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Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kidCall themselves a religion
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Good point. We could claim communism/socialism (or whatever you want to call it) was a religion and that the constant promotion of toryism was an insult to our beliefs. Like that guy who claimed religious discrimination about his beliefs on global warming ...
I think that ^ would be a crap idea lol just in case anyone thinks i'm actually suggesting it, but seriously ...
J Ed
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I suppose that Channel 4 doesn't usually cover religious ceremonies, though the BBC does and has done for a while. I don't see why any of it is necessary, and they are obviously not doing this with good intentions for anyone other than themselves but if it was presented differently then it wouldn't be as bad as it is.
I would be interested to know what Muslims think of it, presenting Ramadan as a deliberate provocation doesn't exactly present the practice of their religion in a very good light.
I think we should get rid of all religious programming, faith schools and tax breaks for religious institutions and of course disestablish the church but until that point I'm not going to get too upset about Ramadan coverage on Channel 4 when there is coverage of Anglican ceremonies on BBC 2.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Well i find "songs of praise" etc bloody annoying. And I do agree with the point that if news/TV channels are going to broadcast loads of programmes to do with one religion (or broadcast programmes about religion at all) they should at least spend some time on broadcasting information about the other religions rather than just one (unless the other religions are in the news because a load of their followers have just been bombing people and thats the only reason its ever talked about, no "worship" programmes nothing else).
But there's a better way than this surely? the way its been marketed just seems to be a windup. If I was Muslim I'd be quite pissed off.
But there's a better way than this surely? the way its been marketed just seems to be a windup. If I was Muslim I'd be quite pissed off.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yeah my own feelings on religion are very mixed 
but I agree with you. I don't think any of them should be promoted tbh. I'm not sure why C4 are doing this.
Also does this mean Muslims are going to be bumped up the progressive stack now they have the "privilege" of a slot on C4?
but I agree with you. I don't think any of them should be promoted tbh. I'm not sure why C4 are doing this.Also does this mean Muslims are going to be bumped up the progressive stack now they have the "privilege" of a slot on C4?
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Unless you actually try to stop it from all angles, or put forward your culture of freedom as an alternative to fight against it, then the church will never be disestablished, the faith schools won't stop and religious programming will not end.
In practical terms the result will a rise of this kind of UKIP approach:- "The Anglican ceremony is, for all its ills, non-sex segregated men and women can listen to women priests together. The Muslim call is only ever performed by men to invite men to pray in the centre of the mosque with a man leading the routine, women can go to the tiny top floor or go pray in their home out of the streets. Go figure which one the lefties at Channel 4 love". It's the only result of this kind of 'provocation' - not to stop preconceptions about Islam, further deepen preconceptions about British society and media.
J Ed
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You are preaching to the choir to be honest
I agree with you wholeheartedly on what should be happening but any actual activism towards secularism seems like pissing in the wind and in any case seems to me to be a lot less important than other issues like fighting austerity.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
You are preaching to the choir to be honest
Sure but fighting austerity itself should be/is fighting for secularism against free schools which have a higher percentage of faith schools etc.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I quite like songs of praise. All the old classics.
arg. i was dreaming about this thread last night. editor had changed the title to just 'laurie penny', because she'd said she was going to sue urbans for sexism and homophobia ('handbags' in the original title, and it wasn't originally just all about her).
er, yes.
er, yes.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Obviously a dream, because as we've established many times now, it's always all about her - do keep up
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