Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[butchersapron]

Starkey said:

"I will not be lectured to by a jumped-up public school girl like you"

That's the point of this whole thread. He needs support.

 

[Idris2002]

Neither Starkey nor Penny but International Socialism.

 

[butchersapron]

Or. Starkey.

 

[DotCommunist]

its hard to back a horse in this one. in the one corner we have starkey, whose 'self made' nature means his abhorrent right wing views are treatchery to his roots and to his own. In the other, a lolsome narcissist with almost no self awareness at all.

 

[weepiper]

its hard to back a horse in this one. in the one corner we have starkey, whose 'self made' nature means his abhorrent right wing views are treatchery to his roots and to his own. In the other, a lolsome narcissist with almost know self awareness at all.

I can't stand Laurie Penny but Starkey was being a bully in that clip. Kept standing over her (he's not exactly tall but ykwim), the 'public schoolgirl' comment, it was a proper 'older man putting young woman in her place' moment. Fuck 'em both.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I can't stand Laurie Penny but Starkey was being a bully in that clip. Kept standing over her (he's not exactly tall but ykwim), the 'public schoolgirl' comment, it was a proper 'older man putting young woman in her place' moment. Fuck 'em both.

Don't make me defend Starkers because I won't but was the public schoolgirl comment not simply a reference to her background compared with his?

 

[weepiper]

Don't make me defend Starkers because I won't but was the public schoolgirl comment not simply a reference to her background compared with his?

I'd believe that if he hadn't got up, stood over her and wagged his finger. It's the combination with the body language, not the phrase by itself

 

[frogwoman]

the thing that gets me about penny, is the whole claiming to be a voice of a generation thing - like how the fuck can she know what everyone's lives are like? i mean fuck me im not the most proletarian person in the world but i could bet that my social circle is wider than hers. how can you know what everyone's lives are like if you've gone straight from brighton college into a meejah job paying more than what the majority of the country earn?

 

[butchersapron]

the thing that gets me about penny, is the whole claiming to be a voice of a generation thing - like how the fuck can she know what everyone's lives are like? i mean fuck me im not the most proletarian person in the world but i could bet that my social circle is wider than hers. how can you know what everyone's lives are like if you've gone straight from brighton college into a meejah job paying more than what the majority of the country earn?

Oxford inbetween. She imagines it's this or starving. That's how she talks about it. I wasn't exactly starving.

 

[frogwoman]

How patronising is that? nobody i know is actually physically starving, that doesn't mean that their lives are easy or anything (or even that they don't sometimes go hungry). Nobody I met in Moldova was starving either.

 

[butchersapron]

The idea though, the real damaging thing is not about her conditions, but the mental landscape she has of other people and their choices and options. They are starving. They need someone to talk for them.

 

[frogwoman]

They need somebody to make decisions for them and be told what to do in other words.

 

[DotCommunist]

fabian, kept warm at night by the embers of SW papers she had to sing for

 

[killer b]

Bet it was that hideous Billy Bragg version she sang too. Or didn't sing. That she pretended to sing.

 

[articul8]

He reminded me of an aggressive Goose What had she said?

 

[DotCommunist]

bestiality, your laws do not apply to me

 

[Idris2002]

 

[weepiper]

oh dear

​

I was in a rent crisis at the time, and thought it might be worth the stress, preparation and risk if I could earn enough from it to cover the money I was missing, which was several hundred pounds. I asked the Thomas Paine society if they could afford that, and as I expected, they said no - which I was glad about, and I made up the rent money elsewhere. Being a multi-millionaire who loves publicity, Professor Starkey may not understand what it's like to be a low-earning journalist in your early twenties, but I feel I did nothing wrong.​

she's just like us, you know.

 

[butchersapron]

What money would she be 'missing' by doing this? She would get expenses and travel. Did she have some other high paid job to go to? Dig that hole deeper and deeper.

 

[butchersapron]

I bet twitter could establish where she was when this event was on and she could be earning a few hundred elsewhere...

 

[chilango]

The more she says, the more I sympathise with Starkey.

 

[DotCommunist]

what has she been spending all the money from ns and other writing gigs on the, that she cannot afford the rent. She hasn't the haggadry of a coke fiend so come on- where has it gone, more radishes, oysters and packs of cutters choice for that ageing liberal she lives with.

open the books

 

[chilango]

Thing is, her reaction in that video speaks volumes. Her instinctive response is to demand the right of reply.

Try that in Greece Laura.

 

[weepiper]

what has she been spending all the money from ns and other writing gigs on the, that she cannot afford the rent. She hasn't the haggadry of a coke fiend so come on- where has it gone, more radishes, oysters and packs of cutters choice for that ageing liberal she lives with.

open the books

More the implication that someone from her background could ever be in a position of having to make a 'hard choice' in order to pay the rent. Fuck off, Laurie.

 

[chilango]

I'd believe that if he hadn't got up, stood over her and wagged his finger. It's the combination with the body language, not the phrase by itself

Then, like a true revolutionary, she shoulda decked him.

 

[butchersapron]

Thus cutting off a very valuable revenue stream for a young revolutionary.

Then, like a true revolutionary, she shoulda decked him.

 

[butchersapron]

Has anyone asked her what she got paid for talking at that top private school - and why she participated in an event for future opinion formers from private school? For free = fucked. For money = fucked.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I had a revelation a moment ago. It was that Laurie Penny, David Starkey, Samantha Brick and Paul Staines were all made-up characters.

O the chutzpah of David fucking Aaronovitch!

 

[butchersapron]

I was asked to debate Starkey at the beginning of June and really didn't want to, partly to avoid just this sort of ugly circus

So i agreed to do it not once but twice.

By the way, I'm still not on Twitter today, this has been posted via a trusted comrade to whom I've given my passwords. If any arse-photos appear in my timeline, rest assured it's not my arse.

No, it's your elbow.

 

[love detective]

What money would she be 'missing' by doing this? She would get expenses and travel. Did she have some other high paid job to go to? Dig that hole deeper and deeper.

Presume she means the money she didn't have to cover her 'rent crisis' - it was fine though as she just got that money from elswhere instead

some crisis!