Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[butchersapron]

Presume she means the money she didn't have to cover her 'rent crisis' - it was fine though as she just got that money from elswhere instead

some crisis!

Exactly, the claim was by attending this she would be directly missing out on money - i.e something else at that time. I wonder what it would be that can allow her pull out at least 300 quid for a few hours fuck all?

 

[agricola]

Has anyone asked her what she got paid for talking at that top private school - and why she participated in an event for future opinion formers from private school? For free = fucked. For money = fucked.

On twitter she says it was a favour for a former teacher.. presumably not the one who had her sent as an indentured servant to Wadham College.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

the thing that gets me about penny, is the whole claiming to be a voice of a generation thing - like how the fuck can she know what everyone's lives are like? i mean fuck me im not the most proletarian person in the world but i could bet that my social circle is wider than hers. how can you know what everyone's lives are like if you've gone straight from brighton college into a meejah job paying more than what the majority of the country earn?

But some of her mates live in squats. And occasionally she has to sleep on the floor of a friend's house. It's really tough when you're struggling to find the pennies to buy your next coffee in New York.

 

[butchersapron]

Denies central importance of class whilst saying that thinking in terms of class is a pro-rich position:

In the world of inherited wealth and privilege which people like Michael Gove exist to defend, money and class are more important than ideology

 

[butchersapron]

On twitter she says it was a favour for a former teacher.. presumably not the one who had her sent as an indentured servant to Wadham College.

We have found out it's two teachers and a headmaster today. No reason why such a well heeled college wouldn't pay well though.

 

[love detective]

Exactly, the claim was by attending this she would be directly missing out on money - i.e something elseat that time. I wonder what it would be that can allow her pull out at least 300 quid for a few hours fuck all?

nah, i read it as she was missing some money for her rent and by doing that gig she might earn the money that was missing so she could pay her rent

but either way, she just got it from somewhere else anyway so hardly a crisis

 

[butchersapron]

nah, i read it as she was missing some money for her rent and by doing that gig she might earn the money that was missing so she could pay her rent

but either way, she just got it from somewhere else anyway so hardly a crisis

Her parents are are still solicitors and on some decent money.

Note the vague 'that'

I asked the Thomas Paine society if they could afford that,

 

[rekil]

There was no rent crisis. Who is the evil landord? The Lez? Crabapple? Come off it.

 

[love detective]

doesn't stack up at all does it - if someone was genuinely in a rent crisis and they had an idea as to how to get the money to solve it they wouldn't be 'glad' if they didn't get the money from it

really awfuly flakey excuse for her asking for the money in the first place - she should have just been honest from the start that she wanted paid for it

 

[butchersapron]

Just noticed that Starkey was the only person up there with a sherry/port/red wine in his hand.

 

[frogwoman]

But some of her mates live in squats. And occasionally she has to sleep on the floor of a friend's house. It's really tough when you're struggling to find the pennies to buy your next coffee in New York.

has she been fucked over by capitalism? I mean properly fucked over. i'm really not sure that she has.

 

[Random]

nah, i read it as she was missing some money for her rent and by doing that gig she might earn the money that was missing so she could pay her rent

but either way, she just got it from somewhere else anyway so hardly a crisis

yes, my interpretation was: the money she was missing, as in, the amount she was short by. So she decided to try to soak the TP society for it, since it was a crisis, despite stress and risk. What stress? What risk?

 

[articul8]

How is it a crisis when you can just get it from somewhere else - I doubt it was wonga.com

(Risk - speaking in public without being lynched)

 

[butchersapron]

Paine would spit in her well-fed face btw.

 

[butchersapron]

How is it a crisis when you can just get it from somewhere else - I doubt it was wonga.com

(Risk - speaking in public without being lynched)

At the fucking Senate House?

 

[articul8]

really? travel to Senate House from anywhere in London is going to be fairly low. Or was she going to claim travel from NYC?

 

[butchersapron]

What?

Hands up if you ever paid this person money.

 

[articul8]

<hands kept down>

 

[nino_savatte]

But some of her mates live in squats. And occasionally she has to sleep on the floor of a friend's house. It's really tough when you're struggling to find the pennies to buy your next coffee in New York.

She's a gonzo journalist, don't you know. It has to be real.

 

[Random]

'Hunter S Thompson would spit in her face'

 

[Captain Hurrah]

its hard to back a horse in this one. in the one corner we have starkey, whose 'self made' nature means his abhorrent right wing views are treatchery to his roots and to his own. In the other, a lolsome narcissist with almost no self awareness at all.

Used to live with a bloke who went to school with him (both got into the local grammar). He was dragged up in poverty on a council estate (I think the same estate as an anarchist who has posted on here), but from anecdotes he was apparently a little shit, and treated his mother dreadfully. Probably a shame of background/aspirational thing.

 

[butchersapron]

'Hunter S Thompson would spit in her face'

Giles Coren would spit in her face.

 

[Random]

And lustbather would lick hunter and giles's spit off her face

 

[Captain Hurrah]

lovely fella

 

[Pickman's model]

really? travel to Senate House from anywhere in London is going to be fairly low. Or was she going to claim travel from NYC?

you don't use london transport, do you? it is famously expensive.

 

[butchersapron]

Who here has asked for a penny for their writing, for talking, for helping out?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I never have. Never made a penny on any speaking engagement, workshop or any of the countless advisory groups and boards I've sat on. Nor from the hours and hours of campaign advice and strategy consultation I've given to various activists and community groups and organizations over the years...

 

[butchersapron]

Just in: Murdoch's Sunday Times lot never pay for anything. I wonder what Penny has to say about Murdoch and his papers? A brutal mercenary machine. So this talk at this top private school set up by Murdoch that was doing a favour involved nothing so mercenary as money right? Let's get this clear.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Look like pin-ups from the iris scanner kiosk of a Rule 45 wing.

Rule 45, two worse than being on Rule 43.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

and 11 worse than rule 34