Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[treelover]

great name, welcome..

have to be careful though, pale in what way. the privilege checkers will be out..

 

[The Pale King]

Thanks treelover

I now realise my choice of name has unfortunate associations not only with white skin-priviledge but also with patriarchal feudalism.

Fallen at the first hurdle!

I have removed my service revolver from the desk drawer, and am awaiting a knock at the door.

 

[butchersapron]

Hello there.
Sometime lurker, first time poster.

Here is Laurie Penny speaking truth to power at the Oxford Union:



Trigger Warning: she's pretty radical, you might not be able to handle it. She also swears at one point.

Oxford union society: people who shape our world. It really says that.

 

[butchersapron]

What sort of freak wants to thank the oxford union?

 

[butchersapron]

Cowabunga and labour leaders there.

 

[DotCommunist]

What sort of freak wants to thank the oxford union?

Le Pen, or was that cambridge...

 

[butchersapron]

Personally i don't give a damn about boardrooms.we should get all the men and women out of all the boardrooms

Excellent, i agree, when are you off, when is your skill-sharing happening?

 

[butchersapron]

That is a great vid. So revealing,

 

[butchersapron]

OMG, listen from 5 mins on - the ambitious. Jesus fucking christ.

 

[agricola]

Interesting speech, but what it seemed to boil down to is one former Oxford student speaking to a roomful of current and former Oxford students about issues viewed through the lens of someone who went to Oxford. Whilst dressed as Takashi Shimura's character in Ikiru.

 

[Firky]

Hello there.
Sometime lurker, first time poster.

Here is Laurie Penny speaking truth to power at the Oxford Union:



Trigger Warning: she's pretty radical, you might not be able to handle it. She also swears at one point.

Fucking hell.

I want to kick something soft and cuddly after watching that.

 

[Firky]

Oh and Welcome The Pale King

This thread has attracted loads of new posters in the last few months.

 

[butchersapron]

She said to that audience, look we are the ambitious, those whose ambition has put them here. This is labour's poverty of ambition, and prefaced it with a sort of let's be honest here (they are shit, we're not), seconds after declaring herself to be a revolutionary socialist. They are there in that room by willpower.

Fucking spoilt child.

 

[butchersapron]

First thing i learnt if i was talking more than 5 mins. Have some liquid. She must be able to but herself a pint?

 

[weepiper]

Fuck me. I want to punch something now.

 

[The Pale King]

I think the move she pulled is known in American circles as a "Rubio":





reply to butchersapron

 

[Firky]

"We Oxford Students are the ambitious, more than anyone else. People need to listen to us."

Who the fuck reads the New Statesman anyway?

I never have. Why would I?

I know you weren't really asking but...

 

[chilango]

I could't watch it.

Why ruin a sunny Friday evening making myself angry?


(Maybe I'll watch it on Monday morning...)

 

[eatmorecheese]

I feel a bit sick after watching that, tbh.

The establishment's pet "revolutionary" being indulged.

I'm sure the queasyness will turn to anger in a minute, though...

Ah yes. Kicked in.

 

[chilango]

"We Oxford Students are the ambitious, more than anyone else. People need to listen to us."



I know you weren't really asking but...

Ah.

So definite not "people like me" then.

Maybe I lack ambition or something?

 

[Firky]

Is it really the UK's most influential current affairs and business publication?

PDF link of readership

http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/files/2013 media pack.pdf

 

[DaveCinzano]

Ah.

So definite not "people like me" then.

Maybe I lack ambition or something?

I blame your parents

 

[killer b]

Oh and Welcome The Pale King

This thread has attracted loads of new posters in the last few months.

By some distance the biggest new user magnet in p&p atm. Not sure whether thats a good thing or not.

 

[cesare]

"Feminism is not an identity" then why treat it as one? Or has she changed her mind?

 

[equationgirl]

Wow. I thought she had the makings of some good points until she was rude to Edwina Currie. Not because I'm a fan of Edwina, but because she totally disregarded Edwina's view. She effectively said 'your experience doesn't count'.

'People in here are going to be very powerful in the next few years'. The arrogance is pretty staggering in that statement.

It's very 'me me me', but once she loses her nervousness it does improve a bit.

And a touch of anti-Catholic sentiment as well, something for everyone really in that speech.

 

[andysays]

You would have thought they might have turned the heating on. It's so cold she's had to keep her hat and scarf on!

Comment removed after being deemed inappropriate

 

[Bakunin]

"Feminism is not an identity" then why treat it as one? Or has she changed her mind?

It's an identity when it suits her and not when it doesn't, silly.

Are you unacquainted with revolutionary dialectics?

 

[killer b]

She looks like she takes her fashion tips from Pete Doherty, and by the pasty, blotchy look of her skin and the nasally sound of her voice, that's not all she's all she's following him in...

no need for this.

 

[andysays]

no need for this.

That was my honest and immediate reaction on watching it - I've never had the pleasure of watching/hearing Lol perform before

 

[weepiper]

no need for this.

None at all. There's plenty to attack in what she says without resorting to attacking how she looks or insinuating what she might get up to in her spare time