Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[killer b]

(I have blotchy skin and a nasal voice. Id hope that wouldn't form part of any attack you might choose to make against my politics)

 

[equationgirl]

She looks like she takes her fashion tips from Pete Doherty, and by the pasty, blotchy look of her skin and the nasally sound of her voice, that's not all she's all she's following him in...

We don't focus on her appearance, but her overall body of work. Commenting on her appearance descends into bullying and puts the thread on a par with the Daily Mail.

 

[cesare]

It's an identity when it suits her and not when it doesn't, silly.

Are you unacquainted with revolutionary dialectics?

Yeah those revolutionary dialectics don't impinge on my consciousness. Impervious, that's me.

 

[andysays]

We don't focus on her appearance, but her overall body of work. Commenting on her appearance descends into bullying and puts the thread on a par with the Daily Mail.

OK, it was my honestly expressed opinion, but as three people have immediately reacted in the way you have, I'll happily remove it as being thought inappropriate.

Those of you who've quoted me are welcome to delete or leave as you see fit.

 

[cesare]

That was my honest and immediate reaction on watching it - I've never had the pleasure of watching/hearing Lol perform before

Why would your honest and immediate reaction be about what she looks/sounds like rather than what she's saying?

 

[andysays]

Why would your honest and immediate reaction be about what she looks/sounds like rather than what she's saying?

Because that's what generally happens when you watch someone speak rather than reading what they've written

 

[Firky]

Wearing a hat indoors

*ducks*

 

[Firky]

Because that's what generally happens when you watch someone speak rather than reading what they've written

What you doing on this thread if you've never read her work?

 

[andysays]

What you doing on this thread if you've never read her work?

As I thought I'd explained above, I have previously read her work but have never seen/heard her speak until I watched that video.

The first impressions it made on me were, as I said, not to do with what she was saying, but in what she looked like (some of which others have also commented on) and what she sounded like

 

[cesare]

Because that's what generally happens when you watch someone speak rather than reading what they've written

I agree that in watching someone, you take in details of how they look and sound. But I don't agree that in commenting on their speech you necessarily make extrapolations about their personal life based on that as your first reaction. This morning I watched Simon Hughes busy trying to minimise the collapse of the LibDem vote in South Shields, but whilst I inevitably formed a view about his face and dress and voice it didn't occur to me to make extrapolations about his personal life from that as my first reaction.

 

[andysays]

I agree that in watching someone, you take in details of how they look and sound. But I don't agree that in commenting on their speech you necessarily make extrapolations about their personal life based on that as your first reaction. This morning I watched Simon Hughes busy trying to minimise the collapse of the LibDem vote in South Shields, but whilst I inevitably formed a view about his face and dress and voice it didn't occur to me to make extrapolations about his personal life from that as my first reaction.

I didn't intend, particularly, to make extrapolations, rather to say what it made me think of, which isn't something we should draw any firm conclusions about. I accept that what I wrote came across that way, and that was careless of me.

I did it, I was wrong, I'm responsible, I've deleted my comment and I apologise.

Let's get on with the rest of the thread now...

 

[cesare]

Although, having said that, there are definite exceptions such as Mark Oaten ...

 

[rekil]

"Feminism is not an identity" then why treat it as one? Or has she changed her mind?

PD's Multitudinous Positionism again isn't it.

I think she may have been ill. No excuse for terrible argument though. At 7:25, Laura says she walked out when someone said that "the most important thing a woman can ever do is hold a child she's given birth to" (and we don't know if she mangled that person's words) but here we have Camila Vallejo saying that her pregnancy is the greatest thing that has ever happened to her. In Laura's mad little self-orbiting bubbleworld, does that mean Camila is rubbish at feminism? Really communisn't? A little bit patriarchy even?

This [pregnancy] has not emerged from calculations or frivolity, only from our love and our youth that is more than a question of age, but rather of energy and convictions, [This] has been reaffirmed much more now that inside of me grows another powerful reason to continue fighting for a country that is without abuses, truly just, and much happier, which is where I want my baby to grow up.

I would like to tell everyone that nothing in this life, let alone in this country, is easy, and there are millions of women who carry out their pregnancies in much more adverse contexts than I will.

 

[Firky]

Although, having said that, there are definite exceptions such as Mark Oaten ...

 

[DotCommunist]

By some distance the biggest new user magnet in p&p atm. Not sure whether thats a good thing or not.

Swappie implosion thread

 

[killer b]

Swappie implosion thread

maybe, although they never seem to stay long. the LP newcomers do, i think?

 

[frogwoman]

Wearing a hat indoors

*ducks*

racist

 

[frogwoman]

"We Oxford Students are the ambitious, more than anyone else. People need to listen to us."



I know you weren't really asking but...

By "regularly taking part in political debate" do they mean calling tories cunts on the internet or something more rarified? And by hold an elected position do they mean treasurer of the darts club or treasurer of the treasury?

i think i know the answer to that

 

[frogwoman]

39% were introduced to the magazine through personal recommendation

what, like the freemasons?

 

[butchersapron]

Note the running together of affluent and charitable. Of morals with money.

 

[DotCommunist]

Who the fuck reads the New Statesman anyway?

I never have. Why would I?

I'd have a flick through if it was in the doctors waiting room, can't see myself parting with three large and fifty p for it though

 

[Firky]

People from poorer background give more proportionally to charitable courses than the affluent. They're also more likely to donate.

 

[cesare]

Hypocrisy, I am in you

 

[frogwoman]

Most new statesman readers are responsible for a business budget of over £100,000

 

[Firky]

"Opinion formers"

*shudder*

 

[killer b]

it's like they gathered up the very worst of the guardian readership, and made a magazine just for them.

 

[killer b]

presume that's something they put together to sell advertising btw. or stroke the egos of the readership. or both.

 

[agricola]

People from poorer background give more proportionally to charitable courses than the affluent. They're also more likely to donate.

No ambition, then.

 

[frogwoman]

Jemima Khan’s interview with Liberal
Democrat leader Nick Clegg led the news
agenda, with much of the coverage
focusing on his admission that he “cries
regularly to music”. A rare instance of a
political interview which redefines public
perception of its subject

yes, it doesn't say what the perception was changed to though

 

[DotCommunist]

it's like they gathered up the very worst of the guardian readership, and made a magazine just for them.

so a vapid echo chamber for the capitalist with a conscience and heres your ad for a 200 quid kettle