frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
you have got to be fucking joking.
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you have got to be fucking joking.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
! check your privilege!Definitely. Laurie's articles often read as if they've been produced in five minutes, I suspect Hari puts more effort in.
Do you think so? I get the impression she's pored over every word and phrase repeatedly. Look at the way she is in interviews. She repeatedly stumbles over what she's saying, gets tongue-tied and goes to great lengths to insert prearranged puns, jokes or 'biting' phrases...all a bit lame and contrived. Her speech has no natural flow. She's a striver, not a natural stylist. Her prose has that overworked feel which acquires a sort of ersatz unprocessed quality only through repeated reworking.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Aye - if she's stopping in conversation with her bezzers on the radio to make sure she says ONLY the "right" things for the brand then you can be sure she does it with her red pen of justice.
Well that's obviously true...but that's why she gets the criticism. She is...let's face it...in either national or global terms the product of a hyperprivileged upbringing and education. At some point, she clearly decided being 'a young woman leftie writer' would best suit as her particular schtick. Now this obviously presented problems given that it was a little incongruous with her background. It is precisely her attempt to dismiss this incongruity which causes the responses she gets. It infects everything she writes; makes it seem contrived, self-serving and insincere.
In order to present herself as somehow personally involved in the struggles she describes she seems to have decided she needed a back story dripping with oppression. Obviously, not getting the pony you wanted or the trials of a stultifying adolescence trapped in the stockbroker belt don't really cut the Colman's. So, instead, we get her lifelong battle with patriarchal tyranny...and the time she and a few of her Oxbridge compemporaries had to live on cold beans, huddling around a 60 watt bulb to stay alive...all blown up into patently fantastical proportions. Hence the ridicule she attracts.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/julie-burchill-suzanne-moore-transsexuals
Julie Birchill decides the way to defuse the situation is to use ALL the offensive words towards trans women and trans me, with a good helping of rubbishing gender politics.
Julie Birchill decides the way to defuse the situation is to use ALL the offensive words towards trans women and trans me, with a good helping of rubbishing gender politics.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Typical Birchill.
BigTom
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Can you remember where was this quote was from? cos she used it in the Guardian CiF piece that was published last night and is apparently in the print edition of the Observer today, and it really confused me when I read it, cos I knew I'd seen it before.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
In response, the always excellent trans woman Juliet Jacques has linked to the following...
http://bit.ly/V2vaHB, http://bit.ly/V2uMZA
And her series on transitioning is very, very good.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/juliet-jacques?INTCMP=SRCH
http://bit.ly/V2vaHB, http://bit.ly/V2uMZA
And her series on transitioning is very, very good.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/juliet-jacques?INTCMP=SRCH
Possibly...but I think they're making a point about intersectionality and the background of the majority of media commentators...only in a manner which will guarantee them a load more page hits and a few more columns by stoking the flames. They're not so stupid they don't realise what they're doing.
I'm actually amazed the Guardian allowed it to stand. They know it's offensive, but they obviously just want the attention. Maybe trans women have joined the working class as a group who are open to acceptable abuse from their 'betters'?
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
As a clinically-diagnosed loonspud I'd find it more offensive if you posted that we were all like those three.
FridgeMagnet
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It's not my specialist subject but I do know that Bindel has a long-running issue with trans people - well, women at least - for which she's been regularly and deservedly slated in the past.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
P.S. Please buy my new book. It's available in all crap booksellers and a few of the better ones who don't realise how appalling it is. Even if you're illiterate, read. Just read. And give me some money. Thank you...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
The Ab Fab version of feminism.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
rosecore
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What hate speech. Shame on The Observer for allowing it to be published.
No...but to be fair, that's not only a failing among self-styled middle-class radical frauds...I sometimes find myself berating the failings of various hopeless drunks I happen to know...often in the small hours as I crack open another Special Brew.
Nah...you can't blame identity politics. It's cis women who are the problem...they just aren't authentically female enough...and it's about time they were told.
Little over 2 hours and 630 comments on Burchill's piece...which features ads from Sky broadband, Direct Line and American Express Gold cards.
Odd....where're the ads for Lidl and Primark? So many of the comments are for people claiming to be working class feminists.
Odd....where're the ads for Lidl and Primark? So many of the comments are for people claiming to be working class feminists.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Well no-one gave me a booklet about being 'authentically female'
rekil
to menny cranks
Ads are specific to the person viewing the page, so in actual fact those adverts say more about you than the people leaving comments.
When I go to that page I get adverts for donkey jackets, hobnailed boots, tripe, Wonga loans and union lines:
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
tbh there was and is a very vocal trans lobby.
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