Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Steel Icarus]

A nudge from someone effectively saying "you might want to rethink that" seems a sensible way to deal it. Contrast that to the all too frequent screams of "check your privilege" that some would have employed. And then used to avoid engaging in debate.

Yep.

I have a feeling I was - and I'm using the word sarcastically here, having just made it up - worksplained to the other day. Some student said "no-one likes working for their dinner" and "any truly free person would not want to work". I said I fucking loved working in a factory, cos I did, often.

No reply, of course.

 

[phildwyer]

She's punky and alternative, she don't care what you say, discipline is her enemy, and anarchy is her way of life, man. And so on.

me creo punky
y no te voy a mentir
lo que pienso de ti
te lo digo en la cara
me creo punky
y te lo hago sentir
del modo punk

yo no soy trater
ni hiphopera
yo no soy indi
no soy rockera
yo no soy emo
ni pokemona
yo nunca sigo
lo que esta de moda

 

[Favelado]

God that's awful.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I said I fucking loved working in a factory, cos I did, often.

Who wouldn't love being part of making the workers' bomb reality? Gives me a warm, tingly feeling inside knowing that I'm doing my bit (though TBF that might be more to do with my lead-lined undercrackers wearing out).

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I said I fucking loved working in a factory, cos I did, often.

No reply, of course.

The times I have best enjoyed my job it has been when working in warehouses or on building sites in situations where we have felt like we had a genuine bit of control over the day to day grind and could make the time to muck about a bit as well, lots of solidarity helps...

Once we flooded a warehouse floor and raced counterbalance forlifts around daring each other to spin them in circles and drive over big chunks of pallet so they would nearly tip over but then right themselves.

 

[Bakunin]

Gives me a warm, tingly feeling inside knowing that I'm doing my bit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Just thinking about this privilege stuff - one thing that I've never seen it address is ugliness. I've been an ugly bastard all my life and we're constantly kept down by our more aesthetically pleasing oppressors. Ugly people are criminally under-represented in the modelling, porn and sex industries in particular. Fair enough we're over-represented in darts, rugby and shot put but those are not particularly prestigeous so we're 'allowed' that as a kind of tokenistic gesture.

Tis true!

(((((token Ron Jeremy)))))

 

[butchersapron]

"erotic capital"

 

[TruXta]

Plenty of "ugly" people in porn!

 

[ViolentPanda]

One more weekend of forcing myself do a false log-in about stuff that no one cares about so i can tell them that i don't care about them not caring about it. I don't know why i bother sometimes.

That's a pretty accurate impression, tbf.

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm old enough to remember when porn had comedy links between scenes, like a fat camp bloke on a swing or playing a tuba

 

[ViolentPanda]

You're right; I've removed it. And I apologise.

Whilst it wasn't posted with malice, it doesn't behove a man who has had the privilege of a lifetime of NHS dental care to mock the teeth of a worker who has not.

A nudge from someone effectively saying "you might want to rethink that" seems a sensible way to deal it. Contrast that to the all too frequent screams of "check your privilege" that some would have employed. And then used to avoid engaging in debate.

TBF, I think that the sentence I've highlighted should read "...the relative privilege of a lifetime of NHS dental care...".
Strictly for the sake of accuracy, you understand?

 

[Nice one]

its funny to laugh at chavs when they're old and foreign

aye, and female shop workers who just happen to be employed by waitrose.

How easily the masks slip

 

[ViolentPanda]

As I said to the referee, I'm sorry if it gets in the way of the important work you're doing here.

You're giving yourself airs and graces by thinking that you're anything more than a tedious, repetitive mild distraction, Elizabeth.

 

[el-ahrairah]

I'm old enough to remember when porn had comedy links between scenes, like a fat camp bloke on a swing or playing a tuba

really? but wouldn't that put you off your stroke?

 

[DotCommunist]

confessions of usually involved comedy. The slap to the tickle so to speak

 

[Fez909]

Well I've never pretended to be one of the big guns of the revolution (never leave the house faction.)

Before you get banned again, I just wonder what you think people should be doing? You've said in the past (I think) that the war is over, socialism is dead, never again to revive. And I think I remember you saying the best to hope for from the left is a slowing down of the attacks on the working classes and the consolidation of neo-libralism (or whatever it was you said has 'won').

I know debating on a message board isn't going to change anything, but if you think nothing can be changed, then why such an issue with it?

 

[Orang Utan]

really? but wouldn't that put you off your stroke?

Aye, I presume people were usually done with by the time one scene is over and needed a bit of a break before regathering their enthusiasm.

 

[Orang Utan]

confessions of usually involved comedy. The slap to the tickle so to speak

They weren't porn. They were just British 70s equivalents of Porky's/American Pie movies

 

[Bakunin]

They weren't porn. They were just British 70s equivalents of Porky's/American Pie movies

'Mornin' love. You want some cream with that?'

 

[rosecore]

Stephen Lennon's been sent to prison for 10 months. Not that the EDL weren't already discredited. Make's Penny interview with him all the more pointless. Giving a platform to a now convicted criminal.

 

[el-ahrairah]

tbh i'm not sure that's a reasonable criticism. it was as pointless as it was possible to be even before.

 

[butchersapron]

Stephen Lennon's been sent to prison for 10 months. Not that the EDL weren't already discredited. Make's Penny interview with him all the more pointless. Giving a platform to a now convicted criminal.

What % of the population do you think have a criminal conviction? Males esp.

 

[el-ahrairah]

i looked up the answer to that. it was more than i expected.

 

[butchersapron]

Yep

 

[cesare]

And breaking down that figure in %age proportion to relative population also

 

[Athos]

Stephen Lennon's been sent to prison for 10 months. Not that the EDL weren't already discredited. Make's Penny interview with him all the more pointless. Giving a platform to a now convicted criminal.

That's why I no platformed Nelson Mandela.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Plenty of "ugly" people in porn!

big cocks though, another privilige

 

[TruXta]

big cocks though, another privilige

This is why Japanese porn is better for white blokes.

 

[DotCommunist]

racist