Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Firky]

We've all ruined Laurie's Christmas. You cunts.

 

[Delroy Booth]

I'd trust Ellie on an action, as an activist I think she is very good even though I don't agree with her politics or the conclusions it sometimes draws her to. There's obviously issues and a debate to be had about the kind of activism she takes part in but what she does she does well and honestly.
As a case in point, Ellie got arrested at fortnum and mason, Laurie left early and Sunny Hundal tweeted about it, probably blogged it too (tbf I actually have no idea but I'd put a strong bet on him not being there). I don't remember Ellie using that arrest to further her career, I'm sure she must have written about the arrest or trials at some point but she never tried to make it about her and as a fellow arrestee who put time and effort into the defence campaign I never felt she tried to hijack, co-opt or use the arrest/trial to talk about her or
further her career.

At the end of the day BigTom she might not be perfect, who is, but she doesn't have some giant all-consuming ego like Penny Dreadful has. That goes a long way.

And yeah Owen Jones as well lets just get this one out of the way, Owen actually goes out there and puts forward genuinely convincing and thought-through socialist arguments, and does a good job of it. My 65 year old widowed disabled auntie loves him to bits coz of the shit he gave IDS on Question Time, I think she might have a bit of crush on him (haven't got the heart to tell her )

 

[DaveCinzano]

I was living in Dudley when keegan went back- suddenly the place was full of geordies with midlands accents. (and my mate got a Keegan tattoo on his chest that as he's got fatter has morphed into lovejoy)

Paris - London - Rome - Berlin
We shall fight, we shall win!
Ian - McShane - Dudley - Sutton
We shall tinker, we shall tut on!

 

[SpineyNorman]

Wordpess seems to have changed - anyone know how you upload pdfs on there now? It used to be dead easy - there was a library tab on the dashboard and you just clicked on that and could upload - I have no idea how to do it now.

 

[Ax^]

*is going to have to take an hour or 2 out this week and get caught up on this and the other thread*


Looks like you lot have been having fun

 

[butchersapron]

Paris - London - Rome - Berlin
We shall fight, we shall win!
Ian - McShane - Dudley - Sutton
We shall tinker, we shall tut on!

Just need to get eric in there somehow.

 

[DaveCinzano]

A nose that size is difficult to keep out

 

[butchersapron]

Wordpess seems to have changed - anyone know how you upload pdfs on there now? It used to be dead easy - there was a library tab on the dashboard and you just clicked on that and could upload - I have no idea how to do it now.

They're all at that link i posted earlier.

 

[SpineyNorman]

They're all at that link i posted earlier.

Oh ok thanks.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Wordpess seems to have changed - anyone know how you upload pdfs on there now? It used to be dead easy - there was a library tab on the dashboard and you just clicked on that and could upload - I have no idea how to do it now.

Media > Add New > drag & drop or navigate folders

or

Posts > New Posts > Add Media button > drag & drop or navigate folders via 'Insert Media > Upload Files'

or

same thing for New Page

or via Edit Post/Page.

 

[love detective]

does anyone find operating twitter a bit like trying to fly a plane or look after a baby, there's just far too much going on at once

and the present is already in the past before you you realise it's not the future anymore

 

[Delroy Booth]

And anyway the shower of subhuman tory detritus Guido Fawkes has this on his blog. I bet he's lurking (hi there, gulag fodder)

http://order-order.com/2012/12/17/n...interns-aware-say-staggers-should-be-ashamed/

New Statesman Internship Auctioned for £1,000
Interns Aware Say Staggers Should be “Ashamed”

At the recent Olympics Ball raising money for Britain’s young athletes, the New Statesman, that paragon equality of opportunity, auctioned off internships £1,000-a-pop. A great scoop from Dave Lee this lunchtime. “You will have the chance to contribute your ideas and writing to their hugely popular website” gushed Lot 75 with a starting bid of £1,000

I'm not quoting any more of the bastard, but according to Intern Aware 1/3 of the editorial staff at the New Statesman are unpaid.

Fucking scab paper, we should be having anti-workfare demo's outside their offices.

 

[TruXta]

does anyone find operating twitter a bit like trying to fly a plane or look after a baby, there's just far too much going on at once

and the present is already in the past before you you realise it's not the future anymore

Fucking hate the thing and regret it every time I try and look something up.

 

[butchersapron]

And anyway the shower of subhuman tory detritus Guido Fawkes has this on his blog. I bet he's lurking (hi there, gulag fodder)

http://order-order.com/2012/12/17/n...interns-aware-say-staggers-should-be-ashamed/



I'm not quoting any more of the bastard, but according to Intern Aware 1/3 of the editorial staff at the New Statesman are unpaid.

Fucking scab paper, we should be having anti-workfare demo's outside their offices.

Paging Mr Bone.

 

[cesare]

does anyone find operating twitter a bit like trying to fly a plane or look after a baby, there's just far too much going on at once

and the present is already in the past before you you realise it's not the future anymore

It's good for links to info, but you can't really discuss anything. It's the equivalent of shouting something shouty through someone's letterbox and running away.

 

[Orang Utan]

It's good for links to info, but you can't really discuss anything. It's the equivalent of shouting something shouty through someone's letterbox and running away.

Except the receiver of the letter might not see yours as there are thousands of other letters stuffed into the box

 

[love detective]

And anyway the shower of subhuman tory detritus Guido Fawkes has this on his blog. I bet he's lurking (hi there, gulag fodder)

http://order-order.com/2012/12/17/n...interns-aware-say-staggers-should-be-ashamed/



I'm not quoting any more of the bastard, but according to Intern Aware 1/3 of the editorial staff at the New Statesman are unpaid.

Fucking scab paper, we should be having anti-workfare demo's outside their offices.

lol

 

[butchersapron]

First two paragraphs - open with a masive lie then write about it clumsily.

On the bus this morning, a young father was distributing pocket money to his three small children. The eldest was kicking the back of my chair in bone-jarringly rhythmic anticipation of being taken to town for a day's shopping, but when he received his small handout, the kicking stopped.

"I'm not going to spend my £3, Dad," announced the boy, "I'm going to save it, and then I’m going to save all my pocket money, and then I can go to university and get a good job."

Which is why:

 

[butchersapron]

Any interns at Red Pepper? What other 'left-wing' mags are there?

 

[butchersapron]

Well, precisely. I admire NS's decision to add the disclosure to this piece (I only felt obliged to come clean about my own work) but I think we should focus on the trend as a whole rather than New Statesman in particular.

The disclosure was:

(*Disclosure: the New Statesman employs unpaid interns.)

So,it shouldn't be about the specific paper that i co-edit, just about general trends.

 

[Joe Reilly]

So the membership is really fucking thick, with no 'clarity of ideas'. But the working class itself is even thicker, and their thickness is contageous - the more embedded we are in workplaces and w/c communities the more their thickness rubs off on us.

Simply add 'racist' ('only the scum on the estates vote BNP') to 'thickness' and there you have it.

 

[_angel_]

does anyone find operating twitter a bit like trying to fly a plane or look after a baby, there's just far too much going on at once

and the present is already in the past before you you realise it's not the future anymore

Leave the cryptic comments to the boss!

 

[Bakunin]

The disclosure was:

(*Disclosure: the New Statesman employs unpaid interns.)

So,it shouldn't be about the specific paper that i co-edit, just about general trends.

That does sound like an effort to look like acknowledging the matter without actually acknowledging it in any meaningful sense at all.

The words 'lip service' and 'fobbing off' do spring to mind.

 

[sihhi]

Any interns at Red Pepper? What other 'left-wing' mags are there?

Er... http://redpepperinterns.com/

Also what do you all make of Tony Benn visiting private school pupils and teachers for special sessions?

http://www.concordcollegeuk.com/default.asp?page=44&news=419

Tony Benn visited Concord this week and held an audience with staff and students. He was invited to answer a wide range of questions on the ‘60s social revolution?’ - British society from 1959-1975 – being studied by a group of AS students but also spoke much more widely about his career in politics, his opinions on current affairs and memorable moments including his interview with Ali G!

 

[articul8]

Any interns at Red Pepper? What other 'left-wing' mags are there?

No need for the 'marks' -we have had people volunteer and occasionally take people on structured internships eg. as part of journalism uni courses - but we don't advertise unpaid internships, and in any case there are no paid editorial staff or shareholders.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Wouldn't it have been nice if Laurie had come on here, proved the cynics wrong, and actually engaged with us as if we were equal human beings?

I mean I know there's a million and one Tory bastards who are probably worse than her, but I don't see any point in having a running commentary of their shit views. I don't want to engage with them in a conversation, infact the only thing I'm interesting in saying to any of those arshole like Staines or Cole is "Ready, Aim, Fire"

 

[butchersapron]

Er... http://redpepperinterns.com/

Also what do you all make of Tony Benn visiting private school pupils and teachers for special sessions?

http://www.concordcollegeuk.com/default.asp?page=44&news=419

Good spot. It seems that there's a network of private school 'boosting' stuff that i never really knew existed. Motivational talks, network offering opps and so on.

 

[articul8]

Er... http://redpepperinterns.com

http://redpepperinterns.com/

err..I don't know where this is from (I can hazard a good guess given the spelling) but it has nothing to do with us:

http://redpepperinterns.com/
Who is eligible for the program?
We’re looking for currently enrolled college juniors and seniors.
I’ve already graduated college. Can I apply?Unfortunately due to Labor Laws, only currently enrolled college students can apply to the internship program.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Oh shit, you're twelve years old.

I feel bad for losing an argument with you now.

Quite right too.

Sir.

 

[butchersapron]

No need for the 'marks' -we have had people volunteer and occasionally take people on structured internships eg. as part of journalism uni courses - but we don't advertise unpaid internships, and in any case there are no paid editorial staff or shareholders.

Is that a yes or a no? I note the page that is linked above is all about students - only students? Why

edit: ok that's nothing to do with you then. Ignore.