Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Delroy Booth]

Er... http://redpepperinterns.com/

Also what do you all make of Tony Benn visiting private school pupils and teachers for special sessions?

http://www.concordcollegeuk.com/default.asp?page=44&news=419

I'm prepared to give Benn a bit of leeway that I wouldn't normally give anyone else. Coz it's Tony Benn.

And if he's just visiting a school to give a talk that's relatively harmless, isn't it? I presume he's not on retainer or anything. That's what Tony Benn does, he gives talks to people. He gave a talk about the Luddites in Huddersfield not too long ago.

I know that probably makes me a hypocrite, but I probably wouldn't even be a socialist if it hadn't have been for Tony Benn.

 

[sihhi]

err..I don't know where this is from (I can hazard a good guess given the spelling) but it has nothing to do with us:

It's from America, a joke, the interns are everywhere - I doubt you'd give us the full details, but nearly everything for money in the media uses interns.

 

[butchersapron]

Wouldn't it have been nice if Laurie had come on here, proved the cynics wrong, and actually engaged with us as if we were equal human beings?

Her point was to make sure that we all understand that we are not all equal human beings.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm prepared to give Benn a bit of leeway that I wouldn't normally give anyone else. Coz it's Tony Benn.

And if he's just visiting a school to give a talk that's relatively harmless, isn't it? I presume he's not on retainer or anything. That's what Tony Benn does, he gives talks to people. He gave a talk about the Luddites in Huddersfield not too long ago.

I know that probably me a hypocrite, but I probably wouldn't even be a socialist if it hadn't have been for Tony Benn.

It's the network those talks are embedded in that counts - not the talker We've already seen Laura giving talks at private schools as favour to ex-teachers.

 

[Delroy Booth]

He point was to make sure that we all understand that we are not all equal human beings.

We're not "serious people?" as James Ball put it?

I said that to Helen Lewis in our stupid pathetic fucking e-mail exchange, just coz I'm not an Oxbridge graduate with a job in the media in London doesn't make me a lesser human being. I'm every bit as politically engaged as these people, except I try to do what I can in very unglamorous places with no fucking money at all. Is that not serious? Doesn't that count?

Christ I've pretty much pissed my life and future prospects away before my mid-20's away so I could be a socialist. I don't think I'll ever get a stable job coz all that time I should've spent networking and intern-ing I spent doing things that I felt mattered. Fucking joke, who wants to employ a 25 year old Barista with a IR and politics degree ffs?

GRIM GRIM GRIM GRIM GRIM

 

[TruXta]

We're not "serious people?" as James Ball put it?

I said that to Helen Lewis in our stupid pathetic fucking e-mail exchange, just coz I'm not an Oxbridge graduate with a job in the media in London doesn't make me a lesser human being. I'm every bit as politically engaged as these people, except I try to do what I can in very unglamorous places with no fucking money at all. Is that not serious? Doesn't that count?

Christ I've pretty much pissed my life and future prospects before my mid-20's away so I could be a socialist. I don't think I'll ever get a stable job coz all that time I should've spent networking and intern-ing I spent doing things that I felt mattered. Fucking joke, who wants to employ a 25 year old Barista with a IR and politics degree ffs?

GRIM GRIM GRIM GRIM GRIM

Are you in London, and do you have an extensive network? We probably need some interns after Xmas.

 

[sihhi]

It's the network those talks are embedded in that counts - not the talker We've already seen Laura giving talks at private schools as favour to ex-teachers.

David Aaronovitch does the same thing - a private school despite the name.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bristol-Grammar-School/505971366084103?sk=photos_albums

On interns it's the model in America for the media, architecture, graphic design etc. There's zero way it can be resisted here. The New Republic and Mother Jones both use interns, it's the only way to compete effectively with the rightwing centre magazines that have been doing it ages.

 

[butchersapron]

We're not "serious people?" as James Ball put it?

I said that to Helen Lewis in our stupid pathetic fucking e-mail exchange, just coz I'm not an Oxbridge graduate with a job in the media in London doesn't make me a lesser human being. I'm every bit as politically engaged as these people, except I try to do what I can in very unglamorous places with no fucking money at all. Is that not serious? Doesn't that count?

Christ I've pretty much pissed my life and future prospects away before my mid-20's away so I could be a socialist. I don't think I'll ever get a stable job coz all that time I should've spent networking and intern-ing I spent doing things that I felt mattered. Fucking joke, who wants to employ a 25 year old Barista with a IR and politics degree ffs?

GRIM GRIM GRIM GRIM GRIM

These people.

 

[butchersapron]

David Aaronovitch does the same thing - a private school despite the name.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bristol-Grammar-School/505971366084103?sk=photos_albums

On interns it's the model in America for the media, architecture, graphic design etc. There's zero way it can be resisted here. The New Republic and Mother Jones both use interns, it's the only way to compete effectively with the rightwing centre magazines that have been doing it ages.

God, BGS -you are entirely right that it's a private school despite the name. Met some well sound people from there as well. Bankys' old school.

 

[sihhi]

David Aaronovitch does the same thing - a private school despite the name.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bristol-Grammar-School/505971366084103?sk=photos_albums

On interns it's the model in America for the media, architecture, graphic design etc. There's zero way it can be resisted here. The New Republic and Mother Jones both use interns, it's the only way to compete effectively with the rightwing centre magazines that have been doing it ages.

It's also the model increasingly in creative software design, advertising - Red Pepper Land - is an example and publishing.

 

[DaveCinzano]

That RPLand ad agency is involved in a facial recognition app to offer personalised discounts and retail offers

http://redpepperland.com/lab/details/check-in-with-your-face

How does it work?

Facial recognition cameras are installed at local businesses. These cameras recognize your face when you pass by, then check you in at the location. Simultaneously, your smartphone notifies you of a customized deal based on your Like history.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Until I went to (an old polytechnic) uni, the only group I knew that were having open political meetings were the BNP (in the working men's club on my street). I find it awful that I had to go to uni to find out about working class politics. These 'socialist' groups seem to spend far too much time on uni campuses than they do in housing estates. If they did go out onto housing estates (doing anything else other than shoving a leaflet through someone's door telling them not to vote BNP) they wouldn't have a clue what to say to people. When I had finished uni and gone back to my home town, it just seemed impossible to do any sort of pro-working-class-community type stuff (similar to what the IWCA have done) because all the leftys wouldn't do anything outside of a city centre or uni campus.

Exactly the same back in the '70s and '80s.

 

[sihhi]

That RPLand ad agency is involved in a facial recognition app to offer personalised discounts and retail offers

http://redpepperland.com/lab/details/check-in-with-your-face

Two areas of interns in one!

 

[JimW]

Time for the PD Intern Programme - internment without trial for any and all media luvvies who don't run quick enough.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

So what's the story with the latest SWP expulsions then? Who? Why? What's it about?

 

[butchersapron]

I wonder how many people are on elite level internships compared to people on work program?

 

[butchersapron]

So what's the story with the latest SWP expulsions then? Who? Why? What's it about?

He can run but he can't hide. Or do you mean the lower level stuff like paris, leeds?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

didn't know they had a Paris branch?

 

[butchersapron]

didn't know they had a Paris branch?

They even drink outside cafes.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

in their black polo necks and berets

 

[Bakunin]

didn't know they had a Paris branch?

The Swappies' international undercover cadre, yesterday:

 

[phildwyer]

Good spot. It seems that there's a network of private school 'boosting' stuff that i never really knew existed. Motivational talks, network offering opps and so on.

You didn't know it existed? How else do you think stupid people get to rule the world?

 

[butchersapron]

Talent.

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't know there was this informal sort of network hidden behind the more open stuff. It seems even more disgusting.

 

[The39thStep]

So what's the story with the latest SWP expulsions then? Who? Why? What's it about?

Darlington branch wiped out

 

[TruXta]

I didn't know there was this informal sort of network hidden behind the more open stuff. It seems even more disgusting.

I'd thought someone like you (no doubt involved in many informal influence networks) would've suspected as much. No barb intended.

 

[DotCommunist]

Shall we all be racist now Father? Only I've a4e on my back and not quite sure how much time I can commit to the old racism Father.



GOOD FOR YOU SPINEY! GOOD FOR YOU! I HATE THE FECKIN GREEKS

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I didn't know there was this informal sort of network hidden behind the more open stuff. It seems even more disgusting.

There's a whole series of over lapping networks some of which cross over with the various "activist" ones as well

 

[FreddyB]

That Kenan Malik "How to make a riot" extract is genus, never fails in a Here, read this, everything you need to know sort of way.

 

[Idris2002]

I didn't know there was this informal sort of
network hidden behind the more open stuff. It seems even more disgusting.

Last year I read this thing Skippy Dies, a very dark Irish novel about abuse and suicide in a feepaying Dublin school. It mentioned in passing that kids in those places get one-on-one careers advice sessions from 'old boys' in e.g. financial services.