I'll give you DCB, but Tariq Ali's still doing good work... I just read his latest book on Pakistan, very interesting.... certainly a different league from LP....
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I'll give you DCB, but Tariq Ali's still doing good work... I just read his latest book on Pakistan, very interesting.... certainly a different league from LP....
butchersapron
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Why?
el-ahrairah
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Byron.
articul8
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They were a bit more involved in actual movements, I'll grant you. But they have a tendency to see political events through the lens of their own self-importance - Ali's "Street Fighting Years" is cringeworthy
el-ahrairah
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although, to be fair, his trip to greece went dowbn much better.
articul8
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he got himself killed. He didn't stay in his hotel complaining about burnout
el-ahrairah
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that was going to be my next target...
Random
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If they existed they will not be remembered, apart by people with an obsessive study of the past.
butchersapron
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There's a whole network of things that needs to be in place here though - the privilege (check for tariq), the media they used and how they got there, the stuff they actually did and so on - not just how pompous and self-important they were. I can't see why you would compare DCB with a light-weight journo who has never done anything.
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el-ahrairah
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no he didn't. he died of a fever.
177 pages in and I'm still not sure why she matters. Is anybody aware of her outside Britain's perpetually shrinking radical left milieu? And even if they were to somehow come across her, wouldn't they have forgotten her and her incoherent, juvenile politicking within minutes, if not seconds?
el-ahrairah
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PJ O'Rourke.
Julie Burchill
Random
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She's the most visible media effect of the "Occupy" wave of protests. Few have heard of her, but she's about as high-profile as the libertarian left gets these days. Plus she's interesting as she sums up a lot of things that are toxic about journalism, about self-appointed radical leaders, about the way private schooled protesters generally elbow their ways to the front.
el-ahrairah
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if you don';t know why it matters, you're clearly not going to understand why it does.
butchersapron
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Don't reply to him ffs or we'll have pages and pages of this stuff.
el-ahrairah
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Mikhail Gorbachev 
I honestly can't think of anyone more different from LP.
butchersapron
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Joe Pearce
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this is a weird attitude. do you think only the middle class can converse intelligently?
Random
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Hanging out with the journos at the Independent would probably make you want to go in the rampage with a rifle eventually.
As far as I can see, it only matters to a tiny minority of the tiny minority who are actually aware of her existence, most of whom post on here.
A serious point: is it really conceivable, in the kind of society we are stuck with, that some bright(ish) private school/graduate types won't occasionally try to carve out themselves nice careers in pseudo-radical journalism and the like?
Jimmy Savile
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The dullest conversationalist I know is an uncle of mine who's a Rotarian Tory-voting house-owning retired businessman kirk elder.
rekil
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Kevin Myers.
There must have been swarms of the fuckers in 1968. Warning: ambitious careerists may now be disguised as “progressives” and that.
It's revealing.
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