9/11 media happenings

[tarannau]

That's much better than your usual guff Fela. Like what you've done there.

Fortunately I've got one of those mirror things, so it's right back at you.

 

[editor]

One consults anything that is likely to provide some kind of knowledge or idea that one did not have before.

My mirror is an inert piece of coated glass in a not-unpleasant frame. It contains no knowledge or ideas.
Get a grip on reality, boy!

 

[MikeMcc]

And what question might that be michael?

And you surely know by now that i am one of the least likely candidates for being a conspiracy theorist?

That was the one asked by Editor:

What is your area of expertise in relation to the events of 9/11 then, fela?
...

You also mentioned that you suspected the method of collapse of WTC 7, even though the only (half way sensible) hypothesis proposed so far is from the interim NIST report

 

[jæd]

My mirror is an inert piece of coated glass in a not-unpleasant frame. It contains no knowledge or ideas.
Get a grip on reality, boy!

Must be some kind of special Thai mirror...

 

[8den]

I'm a lunatic, i'm a 'contemptable' (sic) lunatic.

yeeha.

Criticizing someone's spelling is the last act of someone desperate in an internet argument. Makes it look like you've not got a leg to stand on, and are reduced to petty observations to score a point. And you are the definition of that.

 

[TheArchitect]

Amazing; Fela has managed to avoid making any substantive comment whatsoever on 911 - which, after all, is the purpose of the thread - and instead meanders through a rather strange little world where he knows more than any expert. Wow!


UK's gain is Thailand's loss, eh?

 

[Lock&Light]

Now just tell me what is wrong with an old man who is senile?

Nothing! Nothing at all, I tell you!

 

[Lock&Light]

My mirror is an inert piece of coated glass in a not-unpleasant frame. It contains no knowledge or ideas.
Get a grip on reality, boy!

To be fair, ed, the mirror, of course, contains no knowledge or ideas. They are contained in the one who 'consults' it.

Doesn't make Fela's point worth making, mind you.

 

[TheArchitect]

I note that Jazz continues to lie low.

 

[WouldBe]

To be fair, ed, the mirror, of course, contains no knowledge or ideas. They are contained in the one who 'consults' it.

If you consult a 'disco' ball you get a thousand affirmative replies.

 

[Crispy]

In my view, fela seems to have a rather personal world view and belief system that seems to be fundamentally incompatible with scientific inquiry. Now while I might have my own issues with that, as long as no one gets hurt - hey, live and let live. And certainly don't try and convince him of something with a toolset he has effectively rejected.

Kinda like a Christian and a Buddhist talking about what happens when you die. They'll never agree or convince each other, cos they're coming from completely different headspaces.

At tleast that's how I see it.

 

[fela fan]

In my view, fela seems to have a rather personal world view and belief system that seems to be fundamentally incompatible with scientific inquiry. Now while I might have my own issues with that, as long as no one gets hurt - hey, live and let live. And certainly don't try and convince him of something with a toolset he has effectively rejected.

Kinda like a Christian and a Buddhist talking about what happens when you die. They'll never agree or convince each other, cos they're coming from completely different headspaces.

At tleast that's how I see it.

Crispy, i have actually stated that i go along with science, and accept its results. Furthermore, it is precisely because i'm not prepared to believe things just on their merits (and that does not mean rejection, just an absence of acceptance; and rather, wait until the belief can be corroborated by my own existence, or that of someone who i'm prepared to accept) that i run my life outside of any belief system.

I enjoy scientific enquiry, and i enjoy academic enquiry. I enjoy all enquiry really.

I take science on board, and i take on board everything that i have experienced. I also take on board certain experiences of other people who i know well enough to accept what they say. All else remains on hold. I neither reject nor accept.

How is that incompatible with scientific enquiry? To the contrary, it is eminently compatible. Anyhow, thank you for the opportunity to clarify that, but i'm getting bored with talking about myself...

 

[fela fan]

My mirror is an inert piece of coated glass in a not-unpleasant frame. It contains no knowledge or ideas.
Get a grip on reality, boy!

... and so back to mirrors. Physically, yes you are right editor.

Have you never gone metaphorical? A journo who doesn't use metaphors and metaphorical language? Come now man. Anyway, amazingly it's taken lock and light to understand it.

How about those crystal balls that the magic people consult to read someone's future?

 

[fela fan]

That's much better than your usual guff Fela. Like what you've done there.

Fortunately I've got one of those mirror things, so it's right back at you.

You've got the wrong sort then.

 

[fela fan]

Criticizing someone's spelling is the last act of someone desperate in an internet argument. Makes it look like you've not got a leg to stand on, and are reduced to petty observations to score a point. And you are the definition of that.

You're getting touchy boy. I wasn't criticising your spelling at all, just covering my own arse in case someone thought i wasn't spelling correctly myself. And in the interests of quoting you accurately, i had to quote your misspelled word.

This whole thread is now about petty observations, including by yourself.

 

[fela fan]

and instead meanders through a rather strange little world where he knows more than any expert. Wow!

A rigorous architect would never make such an error as this. Go on, show me where i have claimed to know more than experts? Back up what you say with evidence. Easy enough for an architect.

 

[editor]

How about those crystal balls that the magic people consult to read someone's future?

Mirrors...crystal balls... what's next? Reading the tea leaves? Getting out the Tarot Cards?

Your last five posts had *nothing* to do with 9/11. They were all about you. Any chance of moving any further ruminations about your bloated me me me ego to a more appropriate thread?

 

[8den]

This whole thread is now about petty observations, including by yourself.

No it's not. There are substantial issues to be discussed, but in your cowardice, you shy away from them. You bring this thread down, discussing the base and trivial because, you are unwilling, or unable, to talk, intelligently, about the issues you try to raise. Frankly, I think your worldview is so fragile you are afraid of anything more than a shallow discussion about peoples reason's for challenging your assertions about 9/11, because you could not sustain a robust conversation about WTC7 or anything else for that matter. You are in intellectual lightweight, out of your depth, out of your league.

Call Graham Norton, "Dancing around the issues" has found it's Fred Astaire.

But hey feel free to prove me wrong, why don't you go into some detail over why you think WTC7 was a controlled demolition, what basis do you have for thinking this way. Whats your reasoning. You've a chance to raise the tone in this debate Fela Fan, please, no one's stopping you.

 

[TheArchitect]

No it's not. There are substantial issues to be discussed, but in your cowardice, you shy away from them. You bring this thread down, discussing the base and trivial because, you are unwilling, or unable, to talk, intelligently, about the issues you try to raise. Frankly, I think your worldview is so fragile you are afraid of anything more than a shallow discussion about peoples reason's for challenging your assertions about 9/11, because you could not sustain a robust conversation about WTC7 or anything else for that matter. You are in intellectual lightweight, out of your depth, out of your league.

Call Graham Norton, "Dancing around the issues" has found it's Fred Astaire.

But hey feel free to prove me wrong, why don't you go into some detail over why you think WTC7 was a controlled demolition, what basis do you have for thinking this way. Whats your reasoning. You've a chance to raise the tone in this debate Fela Fan, please, no one's stopping you.

Agreed.

 

[8den]

Mark Roberts is a NY tour guide, who has spent many saturdays over the years going to ground zero and challenging the "troofers" who set up shop there, to infulence the gawkers, and those earnestly trying to pay their respects. He's been abused, threatened and mocked, but with what can only be considered astonishing arraw of knowledge on every aspect of 911 from the hijackers credentials, to building collapse mechanisms, he demolishes (boom boom) their arguments

Here's a film he made

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5004042232637229146&hl=en

It's irrevent, funny, and a little too long. But worth a look.

 

[goldenecitrone]

But hey feel free to prove me wrong, why don't you go into some detail over why you think WTC7 was a controlled demolition, what basis do you have for thinking this way. Whats your reasoning. You've a chance to raise the tone in this debate Fela Fan, please, no one's stopping you.

To be fair to Fela, he doesn't really have any details. Just this unshakeable belief in the evilness of the US Government and a distrust of all global media. So don't expect too much reasoning.

 

[TheArchitect]

To be fair to Fela, he doesn't really have any details. Just this unshakeable belief in the evilness of the US Government and a distrust of all global media. So don't expect too much reasoning.

That bit isn't necessarily wrong!


Incidentally, they just banned me over at Loose Change Forum (I think). I'd heard they were quite...picky...and had been especially careful not to contravene any rules, so I shall await their explanation with interest.

 

[8den]

That bit isn't necessarily wrong!


Incidentally, they just banned me over at Loose Change Forum (I think). I'd heard they were quite...picky...and had been especially careful not to contravene any rules, so I shall await their explanation with interest.

Dinnae hold yer breath like ladee, getting an ahswer oot o dylan n da lads, tis like blud from a fukking stuon like....

 

[jæd]

Mark Roberts is a NY tour guide, who has spent many saturdays over the years going to ground zero and challenging the "troofers" who set up shop there, to infulence the gawkers, and those earnestly trying to pay their respects. He's been abused, threatened and mocked, but with what can only be considered astonishing arraw of knowledge on every aspect of 911 from the hijackers credentials, to building collapse mechanisms, he demolishes (boom boom) their arguments

Anyone who goes to Ground Zero with their consiparloon theories is very, very sick...

 

[jæd]

To be fair to Fela, he doesn't really have any details. Just this unshakeable belief in the evilness of the US Government and a distrust of all global media. So don't expect too much reasoning.

Don't forget the unshakable distrust of the UK Govt, compared to the saintly people in the Thai one...

I fully expect a spit-flecked rant penned by Mr Fan at 2.30 in the morning. Something to chortle over with my rice crispies and my Marmite-on-toast tomorrow morning...

 

[8den]

Anyone who goes to Ground Zero with their consiparloon theories is very, very sick...

How about going to ground zero on the anniversary of 911 last year, and as the bell toils 2,917 times, once for each victim, you stand there with your mates in black t-shirts which say "investigate 911" and you chant "911 was an inside job", with a megaphone. Then you wander over to Larry Silverstein's office and chant "murderer" for a bit. Then, while the memorial service is going on, you do a live report, for your internet radio show. Finally you're a little hungry and stop for a bite to eat, only theres a couple of off duty marines, eating there. You decide to go up and harrang them for a few minutes and they politely up and leave, so you follow them down the street, still ranting your conspiracy bollocks.

You can watch 911 troofers like Alex Jones and the Loose Change assholes do all this (except for the Silverstein chanting) on this;

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...99975&hl=en-CA

 

[fela fan]

No it's not. There are substantial issues to be discussed, but in your cowardice, you shy away from them.

...

But hey feel free to prove me wrong, why don't you go into some detail over why you think WTC7 was a controlled demolition, what basis do you have for thinking this way. Whats your reasoning. You've a chance to raise the tone in this debate Fela Fan, please, no one's stopping you.

Yes, and i've discussed those issues down the years here. Unlike most threads on the topic, this one has been allowed to run and run, without bin or ban or threat of bin or ban. You're relatively new round here, and considering the filthy language you've aimed my way, and the disgusting way you've described me, someone you know nothing about, yer a cheeky fucker den for calling upon discussion of the topic with me. Nah mate, it ain't cowardice, it's about talking on-topic with those prepared to remain civil. That does not include you.

And you think i'm going to spend time trying to 'prove you wrong'?? I'm not here to prove anyone wrong, least of all you. I'm here to add my comments, and for readers to do what they want with them.

Finally, if you would like to raise the tone of debate with me den, then get civil man. Otherwise, forget it, and i shall continue to do my best to live up to your ideas that i am an "intellectual lightweight, out of your depth, out of your league."

I like conforming to the person people think i am. It allows me to feed and fan their stereotypical thinking. They never realise how blind they are.

 

[fela fan]

Mirrors...crystal balls... what's next? Reading the tea leaves? Getting out the Tarot Cards?

Your last five posts had *nothing* to do with 9/11. They were all about you. Any chance of moving any further ruminations about your bloated me me me ego to a more appropriate thread?

So, meanwhile, back to 911. Intelligence, and the gathering of it.

Why do the US have the cia, fbi, and other agencies designed specifically to gather intelligence? Nor forgetting of course their cooperative work with agencies of 'friendly' countries. Why do they gather this information?

And why, when they have gathered an inordinate amount in the months, weeks, and days leading up to the attacks, do they then go and ignore it? Do you personally editor believe they suffered from intelligence-fatigue?

Or what do you think?

 

[TheArchitect]

of 'friendly' countries. Why do they gather this information?

And why, when they have gathered an inordinate amount in the months, weeks, and days leading up to the attacks, do they then go and ignore it? Do you personally editor believe they suffered from intelligence-fatigue?

Sources and evidence? Some links will do just fine.

 

[fela fan]

Sources and evidence? Some links will do just fine.

Yes, i can oblige since you're new here. But i've given them from time to time for five years now. But the best one for you to tackle, and afford yourself some time, is to found at www.cooperativeresearch.com but it might be .org not sure.

And be sure to get back to me once you've spent time analysing such a comprehensive timeline, based upon stuff found in mainstream media.

Thing is mate, these threads have been going on for quite a while now, and the significance of this particular one is that it never got binned. Interestingly the more guff there is, like on this one, the more likely it is to last longer. The more pertinent questions that get asked, and the more difficult things to explain away that get posted up, then the more likely the thread gets binned. One time when i tried to make the link above the basis of a thread, it just completely disappeared, not even via the bin.

Please bear in mind that different posters here have different contexts behind what they post, and a main part of that context is how long they've been posting on the topic.