Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and they'd be swept out into the north sea as food for fishes, instead of being swept out and in by the tide in the thames.
2021 Local elections
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discokermit
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thats a plus for the thames as far as im concerned. lasts longer for spectators.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There will be corpses enough from London for that
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Yes, that is what a teller is. I don't know why they are called that.
Back in the day, each party used to send tellers and there was quite a camaraderie amongst them, including sharing numbers when a teller misses one.
The numbers are then sent back to the office of the party who mark them off against the electoral register. That way, they can tell how many of their supporters have voted, and also know which doors to knock on to remind people to get out and vote.
It doesn't seem to be done so much recently, but that may just be because I work in a safe Labour ward*, even though it is a marginal Westminster constituency.
*ETA we will find out tomorrow whether it is still a safe Labour ward, since there was a council by-election yesterday following the resignation of the leader of Croydon Council because of the financial shenanigans/chaos who was councillor in this ward....
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Yeh, ska invita but we have no idea whether such absentee voters are choosing to abstain as a point of principle, or simply being slack. Course it could be argued that disinterest or apathy is a valid response to a shitty political system, but actual numbers would, I think, be useful in a broad analysis. I consider myself to be a political being and my refusal to participate is out of principle rather than cba.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
We also don't know why people spoil ballots because we don't know who they would otherwise have voted for.
The most common spoilt ballot in my (limited) experience is ones that are simply blank - the voter takes it to the booth and then decides not to mark any candidate. Maybe because they are disappointed with the names/parties when they see who is there, or maybe as a protest worked out in advance. We will never know.
ska invita
back on the other side
I think turn out and relative vote counts are as good as we can get on that
Id also love to hear a lot more from people who never vote, who the yare, what it might take to get them to vote, and for what
Yes, of course, Guineveretoo - I obligingly stated why I was abstaining and reasons for doing so. Maybe the official choices could be expanded. In truth, the whole politics of representation, as it currently stands, is a piss-poor and flimsy 'democratic process' - a once every 4-5 year 'choice' ...and I struggled with not voting (have never not voted in a GE in my life and even the by-elections and locals have invariably had my contributory 'X'...but really, I have never felt so politically homeless as I do at the moment...at least as far as parliamentary politics goes.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
tellers similar usage to bank teller? I looked it up because its an interesting usage imo:
"bank clerk who pays or receives money," late 15c., "person who keeps accounts," agent noun from tell (v.) in its secondary sense of "count, enumerate," which is the primary sense of cognate words in many Germanic languages. Earlier "person who announces or narrates" (c. 1300).
which is why ATM is automatic telling machine.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
that's their third gain*, two for their yellow tory allies too. Looks like Labour will lose control (no sadness about useless Bob going) but it'll be a knife edge whether the other two can make a majority
*and they've just got a fourth
ska invita
back on the other side
London elections will be interesting on that score, Mayoral and County Hall - reckon some Green momentum there too
I was told by some awful Blairite the other month that a few lefties abandoning Labour in the big cities wasn't something to worry about. Well here we are
ska invita
back on the other side
not-bono-ever
meh
The leering groping sex offender who is the PM is on a fucking roll isn’t he ? He can do anything he wants with utter impunity .
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Yes, but the person who sits outside the polling station doesn't do any "telling" or counting...
I agree. Corbyn should have removed the arseholes and the wreckers, assuming that were possible given the party machinery itself hated him (a bit like how Windows 10 hates me).Not with this lot in charge, no
Whats needed is plain as day - a populist democratic socialism presented with competence, confidence and party unity, with dissenters booted out and party base activated < till that day comes this is what will happen.
even the fucking Tories understand this
Labour will never reconcile with itself. The left correctly identifies that Starmer is not going to connect with anyone and the Starmer crowd blame Corbyn. It's sad to see. Maybe if TUSC wakes up and stops supporting crank Chris Williamson they might get somewhere. Otherwise be an anarchist, I suppose.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
check these numbers,
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Personally I don’t feel comfortable if there is part of the narrative that people voted the way they have because they’re forced into it. Especially if there is a range of choices.
I would always vote Green in the Euro elections, and would see it as a deliberate and positive way of signalling to them not to give up.
Working on that assumption I would say a vote for the verminous scum Tories is a deliberate action by those who vote for them.
Additionally I see voting Tory as a clear endorsement by that voter for lies, sleaze, corruption, nepotism, racism and a celebration of food banks.
As with the vote to leave (I am a loser in that one) I assume those who vote that way (Tory) are cunts plain and simple. Not misunderstood or ignored whatever’s, simply cunts.
Winning cunts.
They say they have to get on with bringing the country together, I’d like to see how they could unite me with Andrew fucking Bridgen.
I am hoping for Scotland to elect no Tories whatsoever, and as one of the losers I am hoping that trade unionism and industrial action will enjoy a revival in order to disrupt as many governmental aspirations as possible, it is the last hope probably.
As for the North and the red wall or whatever it is called, so what?
They have many who voted for these Princes and Princesses of darkness, they can develop their skills of deference and voluntary subjugation because they won. They can wallow in Rees Mogg’s faeces
I would always vote Green in the Euro elections, and would see it as a deliberate and positive way of signalling to them not to give up.
Working on that assumption I would say a vote for the verminous scum Tories is a deliberate action by those who vote for them.
Additionally I see voting Tory as a clear endorsement by that voter for lies, sleaze, corruption, nepotism, racism and a celebration of food banks.
As with the vote to leave (I am a loser in that one) I assume those who vote that way (Tory) are cunts plain and simple. Not misunderstood or ignored whatever’s, simply cunts.
Winning cunts.
They say they have to get on with bringing the country together, I’d like to see how they could unite me with Andrew fucking Bridgen.
I am hoping for Scotland to elect no Tories whatsoever, and as one of the losers I am hoping that trade unionism and industrial action will enjoy a revival in order to disrupt as many governmental aspirations as possible, it is the last hope probably.
As for the North and the red wall or whatever it is called, so what?
They have many who voted for these Princes and Princesses of darkness, they can develop their skills of deference and voluntary subjugation because they won. They can wallow in Rees Mogg’s faeces
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