‘March for the Alternative’ - 26th March - London

[frogwoman]

ha ha

(thinks) greying creaking man sitting in department store - it really is quite funny

I thought you were a succesful businessman gunneradt. How come you're sat here on a saturday night winding up lefties on the internet?

 

[ymu]

But sometimes it listens. And changes.

Indeed it does. Protest works, just look at the proof.

Heads-up for some action - Big Society Benefits & Careers Advisory Service (BSBACAS) and National Unemployed Workers Union recruitment drive, lifting off on a thread near you. Please join up, or donate to the bank account details which will be appearing shortly.

Twitter and Facebook launch in effect. Please spread the word.

 

[frogwoman]

Also do you think we give a fuck as to whether you think we're sad or not.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Cos he's a cock

 

[DotCommunist]

what you guys dont realise is that the world doesn't stop for losers quite like you lot

finish your last can of fosters then fuck off.

 

[ymu]

finish your last can of fosters then fuck off.

Come on Dotty. Get yer arse over to the other thread. There's work to be done!

 

[gunneradt]

finish your last can of fosters then fuck off.

ha ha

cooking and enjoying a glass of red

 

[Geri]

Im just thinking sad 50 year old man in a car attending a demo - bit like Harry Enfield. Im sure you can see the funny side. Or do you want to get back on twitter and risk that heart attack?

Butchers isn't 50, he isn't even 40 yet!

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Find the Ritzkrieg 18: The suspects from the spending cuts riot who police want to identify

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-cuts-riot-suspects-police-want-identify.html

 

[butchersapron]

**

 

[ViolentPanda]

'around ten ba's'

There's only one ba!

 

[Brainaddict]

Today I am liking this picture I took on London Bridge, stickered along with a bunch of much more obvious 26 March stickers:

 

[BigTom]

http://38degrees.uservoice.com/foru...g-for-the-dropping-of-charges-of-ag?ref=title

suggestion to 38 degrees to campaign/petition to have charges dropped for ukuncut fortnum and mason arrestees.. yeah, I know, petitions, but if it gets picked up it'll give lots of opportunity for people to show support and give some numbers behind any pressure to be brought on the cps via the media to drop the charges.

e2a: you vote for this to get pciked up by them

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Not sure if it's been posted, but a piece in the FT about the march and "violent protest":

There was something truly depressing about last weekend’s TUC-sponsored mass march against public spending cuts. Some 250,000 people ambled through London, picnicked in Hyde Park, listened to Ed Miliband and totally ruined the day for the serious violent minority who were trying to smash things up...

...“So when the Tories were slashing budgets and ratcheting up your college fees, your mother and I marched through London.”

“Did you smash anything up, Daddy?”

“No, but we listened to a speech by the political editor of the New Statesman.”

It’s irresponsible to admit it, but this kind of peaceful protest is pointless. The system has all the shock absorbers necessary to handle a law-abiding demonstration. The next day ministers were already clear they would ignore the entire event, while insisting that they would be happy to discuss the issues with marchers, though sadly not over tea at Fortnum’s as it seems to be attracting the wrong sort these days.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/e2bd35d8-5b37-11e0-b2a1-00144feab49a.html#axzz1ISYYReb0

 

[Will2403]

Interesting article FM.

Maybe I'm reading it completely wrongly, but it seems to attempt to uphold the status quo by encouraging violent rebellion.

imo, violence of the type seen on March 26th was pretty feeble and won't make any noticeable impact on the accounts of the businesses hit.

at best the perpetrators get away with it, at worst they get spotted and charged, limiting their ability to continue protesting in the future, and gives the government an excuse to bring in harsher penalties and new anti-protest laws.

i doubt it will get many people scribbling letters to their mp, and it's the parliamentary system that needs to be reformed or replaced anyway.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

(Not too sure if this is the right place for this, but here goes) - Disco Dave tells the rich and fabulous in Pakistan to pay more tax: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/05/david-cameron-pakistan-raise-taxes-rich Hmm, not the same DC who's going to cut the top rate of tax from 50% to 40%, and who won't sort out tax loopholes allowing various big-money institutions to pay next to nada in tax themselves?

 

[fractionMan]

Interesting article FM.

Maybe I'm reading it completely wrongly, but it seems to attempt to uphold the status quo by encouraging violent rebellion.

imo, violence of the type seen on March 26th was pretty feeble and won't make any noticeable impact on the accounts of the businesses hit.

at best the perpetrators get away with it, at worst they get spotted and charged, limiting their ability to continue protesting in the future, and gives the government an excuse to bring in harsher penalties and new anti-protest laws.

i doubt it will get many people scribbling letters to their mp, and it's the parliamentary system that needs to be reformed or replaced anyway.

I think you missed the entire point of the article. It's about the futility of ineffectual gestures that don't go anywhere. Although why he thinks writing strongly worded letters to an MP would make any difference is beyond me.

 

[CyberRose]

I think you missed the entire point of the article. It's about the futility of ineffectual gestures that don't go anywhere. Although why he thinks writing strongly worded letters to an MP would make any difference is beyond me.

Depends how many "strongly worded" letters they receive, and how big their majority was...

 

[shaman75]

Refuse the Met's demand for footage - An open letter to the BBC

http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...se-mets-demand-for-footage-open-letter-to-bbc

 

[winjer]

at best the perpetrators get away with it, at worst they get spotted and charged, limiting their ability to continue protesting in the future, and gives the government an excuse to bring in harsher penalties and new anti-protest laws.

If you're too timid to get involved, why do you care what the penalty is?

 

[winjer]

5:48 in this video, a hooded man decides he had enough and shows something to police who let him through to escape the confrontation...

As with the other video you posted later in the thread, that's a Top Shop security guard, anyone observant who'd attended previous UK Uncut demos at Top Shop would recognise him and his Top Shop colleagues. Here are some photos of him:

http://i.imgur.com/gqwjY.png http://twitpic.com/4ecui0 http://twitpic.com/4ecuus

People chanting "undercover cops" at them is just daft tinfoilery.

 

[winjer]

A group of masked men dressed in black going around smashing up shops?

Why do your sort never notice all the masked women, is it misogyny or just poor eyesight?

 

[winjer]

UKUncut will win a big legal victory, gaining masses of media examination of their argument, decent PR showing that they are not anarchic but cuddly and constructive

I think you'll find UKUncut make a big deal of being anarchic, while they may not all identify with organised anarchism.

 

[winjer]

i thought the aggravated bit was dropped?

It can't be, the offence charged is aggravated trespass, not trespass with aggravation.

 

[killer b]

it's good of you to go through the thread correcting us all. thankyou.

 

[shaman75]

Uk Uncut protesters were arrested to gather intelligence according to the police... ?

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/0...ncut-arrests-made-for-intelligence-gathering/

 

[shaman75]

As with the other video you posted later in the thread, that's a Top Shop security guard, anyone observant who'd attended previous UK Uncut demos at Top Shop would recognise him and his Top Shop colleagues. Here are some photos of him:

http://i.imgur.com/gqwjY.png http://twitpic.com/4ecui0 http://twitpic.com/4ecuus

People chanting "undercover cops" at them is just daft tinfoilery.

couldn't comment on that, but i notice one of the 'undercover cops' seen hanging around topshop during the january student protests was also hanging around in whitehall when the conservatives were negotiating the coalition agreement.

 

[winjer]

I took part in the ukuncut actions on oxford street, where we ...

You might want to consider carefully what you post about your actions in light of your potential trial.

I was released on bail on sunday evening, I have been charged with obstruction/disruption under the CJA 1994 section 68(1) and (3), with a court date of 12th may.

To be perfectly clear you been charged with: Doing something with the intention of causing obstruction/disruption. There doesn't have to be disruption, although that can make it easier to prove intent. I say this as someone who previously had a conviction for aggravated trespass, since overturned on appeal.

In this video you can see the police officer in charge in the shop say that we would be allowed to leave. I'm not sure if this gives us grounds to sue for false imprisonment or wrongful arrest or anything.

I seriously doubt it, all she says is that at that point she doesn't plan to arrest, not that she doesn't think any laws have been broken.

I also don't know if I can sue for wrongful arrest as my charge is different to the ones I was arrested for (aggravated trespass and criminal damage).. will take legal advice on that one.

No, not at all.

 

[winjer]

couldn't comment on that, but i notice one of the 'undercover cops' seen hanging around topshop during the january student protests was also hanging around in whitehall when the conservatives were negotiating the coalition agreement.

There were no undercover cops seen hanging around Top Shop, that have been identified. One cop in plain-clothes (Steve Discombe) who was chased out of Top Shop at one protest (as written about in the Guardian) is very likely to have also been on Whitehall, as he's a full-time 'field intelligence officer', see for example his evidence to the Ian Tomlinson inquest: http://www.tomlinsoninquest.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/3198A8AE-B340-400F-ADA7-38201429CA57/0/010411pm.pdf

You do know the difference between plain-clothes and undercover, I hope?

 

[cantsin]

ha ha

cooking and enjoying a glass of red

wow, arent you quite the bon viveur you fantasist dullard