‘March for the Alternative’ - 26th March - London

[southside]

I thought Lightbulbs filled with ammonia was a euphemism for bottles of piss.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I will be the first to speak out if I see any evidence of police trying to surpress your right to protest.

I was arrested and charged with aggravated trespass and I have been banned from the City of Westminster between 27th April and 2nd May.

http://hellotenzin.posterous.com/on-being-arrested-for-occupying-fortnum-mason

 

[moon23]

Is this the new party line?

I don't fucking know, it's what I think.

 

[Blagsta]

Yea real posh with a single parent working mother. Moon was born with a silver spoon his mouth.

You're way more middle class than me.

 

[audiotech]

Fair enough, I have respect for anyone who is prepared to try and change things through the ballot box.

The BNP?

 

[8ball]

Why would moon's opinion be made invalid by his background, anyway?

I know there is a lot of vehement disagreement with his opinions but there's a lot to be said for playing the ball rather than the man.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't fucking know, it's what I think.

not dead yet?

 

[Blagsta]

Why would moon's opinion be made invalid by his background, anyway?

I know there is a lot of vehement disagreement with his opinions but there's a lot to be said for playing the ball rather than the man.

Just a convenient stick to beat him with.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Not for the first time, I'll have to ask you to not put words in my mouth, thanks all the same.



No, because the specific nature of the attacks on specific businesses that symbolise a wider problem (note how well-targeted much of the vandalism has been) is drawing unwanted attention to those businesses.

But it's most effective in drawing attention when it's non violent action, like the excellent Fortnum and Mason occupation. Violent action is more likely to only bring detestation of the perpetrators and push the real issues involved aside.

 

[butchersapron]

Just a convenient stick to beat him with.

One he brought to the party himself. He can't moan.

 

[peterkro]

No, the police claimed that lightbulbs filled with ammonia were thrown at them.

Piss contains very little ammonia (about 3% IIRC), so is a lot less harmful than ammonia.

Is there any actual evidence for this,as a humble electrician I know light bulbs are essentially a vacuum,how the fuck do you inject ammonia into a glass vacuum with out destroying it's structure,it would be no different than ammonia in any other container,a plastic bag or an McDonald's polystyrene container for instance.(of course ammonia would probably melt polystyrene)

 

[southside]

How would you make a difference then?

By donating some money to the Red Cross.

Its a tough question, I don't have any answers but as VP said earlier about drawing attention? theres many ways of doing it for example a lovin outside fortnam and masson or candle lit vidule outside Topshop would have drawn attention, you don't need to burn and destroy.

Look to Gandhi, he made a huge impact and never raised a fist to anybody ever.

 

[Callie]

There is no evidence. Next!

 

[8ball]

I thought incandescent bulbs were mostly some kind of noble gas at not much below 1 Bar.

 

[moon23]

http://hellotenzin.posterous.com/on-being-arrested-for-occupying-fortnum-mason

They committed aggravated trespass which is a criminal act and got nicked for it. I'm not a fan of the CJA 1994 but I'm still yet to see an evidence of the police suppressing anyone's right to protest. Tricking them into getting nicked was pretty low. Lesson is police lie too.

 

[gawkrodger]

course there isn't, as it's obviously bollocks!

 

[Callie]

By donating some money to the Red Cross.

Its a tough question, I don't have any answers but as VP said earlier about drawing attention? theres many ways of doing it for example a lovin outside fortnam and masson or candle lit vidule outside Topshop would have drawn attention, you don't need to burn and destroy.

Look to Gandhi, he made a huge impact and never raised a fist to anybody ever.

Or like 250,000 people (at least) walking the streets of london to protest in a non-violent manner. You said yourself it was amazing to see, so many people united. Now what? They just keep doing that?

You are focussing on the minority. What was so wrong about what happened at fortnum and mason - compared to your suggestion? what about all the shops on oxford street that took a beating to their saturday profits but sustained no obvious damage to their shop windows?

 

[moon23]

You're way more middle class than me.

Your camera is flasher than my £35 Argus point and click though

 

[Proper Tidy]

Yea real posh with a single parent working mother. Moon was born with a silver spoon his mouth.

What was her job?

 

[moon23]

The BNP?

I respect the BNP more than the EDL for trying to get elected. I wouldn't say I respect them as people though.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Why would moon's opinion be made invalid by his background, anyway?

I know there is a lot of vehement disagreement with his opinions but there's a lot to be said for playing the ball rather than the man.

Might explain why he hates the working class, the poor and the vulnerable like.

And why he is such a dick.

 

[frogwoman]

I don't fucking know, it's what I think.

Yeah just wondered, since there seems to be a lot of distancing going on at the moment

 

[nick h.]

On Newsnight Now

Story about the demo - a suggestion that the arrests of UKUncut in Fortnums were politically motivated. A chief inspector was filmed at the scene telling legal observers that they weren't violent so wouldn't be arrested! Just before 130+ were...

Hopefully it will be on iPlayer.

 

[Callie]

Fair enough, I have respect for anyone who is prepared to try and change things through the ballot box.

Like Lib Dem voters

 

[moon23]

What was her job?

White Collar Clerical. Lower Middle Class or C1

 

[Steel Icarus]

I'm not a fan of the CJA 1994 but I'm still yet to see an evidence of the police suppressing anyone's right to protest.

This woman has been banned from London for a week in the future in case she misbehaves, i.e. sits down in another posh grocery shop.

 

[strung out]

Story about the demo - a suggestion that the arrests of UKUncut in Fortnums were politically motivated. A chief inspector was filmed at the scene telling legal observers that they weren't violent so wouldn't be arrested! Just before 130+ were...

Hopefully it will be on iPlayer.

a link to the vid is on the guardian website. posted higher up the thread somewhere i think.

 

[moon23]

Like Lib Dem voters

Seeing as i'm a Lib Dem who spent their evening writing lovely hand written envelopes addressed to electorate

 

[Proper Tidy]

White Collar Clerical. Lower Middle Class or C1

Why do you want to make your mum poorer?

 

[moon23]

This woman has been banned from London for a week in the future in case she misbehaves, i.e. sits down in another posh grocery shop.

Seeing as there are no forthcoming protests this bail conditions seems pretty OTT.