Workers Power have split

[rekil]

 

[BigTom]

Part of me hopes she gets the joke. A bigger part of me hopes she doesn't and writes an expose of our "activities".

 

[rekil]

Part of me hopes she gets the joke. A bigger part of me hopes she doesn't and writes an expose of our "activities".

PD's twitter machine operator got a DM. Not clear whether she's read the thing or just seen the pic where she's holding the paper.

 

[BigTom]

She might well have followed so that you can reply to her DM then.

 

[chilango]

PD's twitter machine operator got a DM. Not clear whether she's read the thing or just seen the pic where she's holding the paper.

What does this mean?

 

[DotCommunist]

View attachment 19455

 

[BigTom]

What does this mean?

DM = Direct Message, same as a private message.

 

[chilango]

DM = Direct Message, same as a private message.

Yeah. I've seen it now...

 

[co-op]

Comrades – I see from my twitter feed that wild accusations of the “death” of PD Comrade Gorbachev have been circulating in the mass media. It seems timely to remind all comrades that “death” is an artifact of bourgeois society (and indeed of the agrarian-based feudal economies that preceded it). Theoreticians will be interested to note that in the animist hunter-gatherer societies that preceded class society, death existed but merely as a form of transformation of consciousness, a process that is analogous to the transfomative power of proletarian communist society in creating a new humanity. But “death” - as in the cessation of awareness - is quite clearly a false consciousness, existing merely in a superstructural sphere produced by the pathologically conflict-ridden substructure of immature human economies, and has merely been a means for the ruling class to purvey its fantasy afterlife as a means of imposing class control. This is in direct contrast to the scientific Marxist analysis of this question that characterizes a proletarian comprehension of “death”. It is surely obvious to any critical thinker that in a classless society ‘immortality’ (I hesitate to use the term since its mere existence implies the existence of its antithesis, death, but comrades will forgive me if I lapse into the popular vernacular), I repeat “immortality” is the normal state of affairs in post-revolutionary society (except of course for enemies of the state, er class - in post-revolutionary society the two will be inseparable, & comrades will pardon me for blurring the distinction), whose internalization of the belief of the existence of death means that they will remain subject to the reifying “power” of death, i.e. we can still put them up against the wall. Anyone who survives is clearly occupying a psychologically post-revolutionary consciousness and will be welcomed into the new era. As Marx clearly showed, capital is dead labour, and it follows that only living labour will exist in proletarian society.

Could comrades please reference the above understanding in all future communications with the proletariat or its organs, I am tired of having to make this point again and again, we have been over this many times. And please can this not be another pretext for starting the whole resurrection debate again, it has been quite clearly proven that even with a new proletarian clock, time is linear, in accordance with the scientific principles of Marxist-Leninist-Posadaist-Mainwaringist thought. I would remind comrades that former-cmde Jesus was expelled for persistently trying it on in this field.
Thank you.

 

[rekil]

Taverymuch, that's up.

Re: Comrade Gorbachev And The Great ‘Death’ Lie.

 

[co-op]

But you haven't used the small font size!! Surely every comrade is aware that all theoretical issues should be discussed in the smallest font size available?

 

[rekil]

But you haven't used the small font size!! Surely every comrade is aware that all theoretical issues should be discussed in the smallest font size available?

I don't think the template allows it but I'll suggest the inclusion of an instruction to stand at least 10 feet away from the screen.

 

[co-op]

I don't think the template allows it but I'll suggest the inclusion of an instruction to stand at least 10 feet away from the screen.

Or perhaps comrades could put their glasses on back to front?

 

[el-ahrairah]

I am currently wearing my glasses back to front in proud solidarity with the readership.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

But you haven't used the small font size!! Surely every comrade is aware that all theoretical issues should be discussed in the smallest font size available?

Dear comrade I wouldn't pursue that line too hard or your lack of footnoting longer than the actual article might be questioned; standards are standards after all and they are there for a reason. (1)

Proletarian Democracy – Exchange Group
(02/02/51 AC)

(1) The need for comprehensive footnoting as a means of providing both:

• a maximum of contextual information
• and a demand of seriousness from the reader in the particular case of communist theory;

can be found at the Exchange Group Archive. The relevant subsection is Two steps forward with the Exchange Group in which the EG take to task comrades from the following PD factions:

Official Proletarian Democracy: Committee for the Proletarianisation of Time(OPD:CPT)
Advanced Proletarian Democracy for The Workers’ Bomb (APD – WB)
People’s Commission for the Bright Dawn of Proletarian Democracy (PCBDPD)
Proletarian Democracy (Posadist) (PD(P))
Proletarian Democracy (Provisional Fruitarian Faction) (PDPFF)
Marx Mao Mishima Kojima Path (MMMK)

for their unwillingness/inability to debate openly before the class through the means of extensive footnotes.

 

[co-op]

Dear comrade I wouldn't pursue that line too hard or your lack of footnoting longer than the actual article might be questioned; standards are standards after all and they are there for a reason. (1)

Ooh, good point.1



1 When I say "good" I obviously refer to the ideological correctness and procedural appropriateness of the point, rather than implying any attribution of some sort of abstract moral "value" that can claim timeless "objectivity". In fact as we know only too well the bourgeois-religious suggestion that "good" could have any such status is merely the imposition of a grotesquely self-serving class interest upon a word otherwise innocent of any such implication. For further discussion of this point please email me.

 

[butchersapron]

Bear eating mutha fuckers.

 

[barney_pig]

Fabulous news comrades! Our fostering network has announced that the Atomic Weapon establishment Aldermaston has chosen our fostering network as its charity1. opening an opportunity for revolutionary relations to be established between the heroic Atom bomb proletariat and Proletarian Democracy Youth!


1. this is true.

 

[killer b]

elsewhere on the internet, i was reading about the overall movement in the USA in the 20s, and there was a pic at the bottom of a scanned article with some evidence of the past glories of the spartacists. thought some of you might be interested?

 

[DotCommunist]

All Aldermen Are Bastards


ditto Yeomen, the Yeo polishing fucks

 

[Random]

There's no link at all, is there, between the German Spartacists of 1918-19, who later became the German Communist Party and the Trotskyist group calling itself Spartacist?

 

[killer b]

i've no idea. i'd never heard of either of them until this thread.

 

[chilango]

There's no link at all, is there, between the German Spartacists of 1918-19, who later became the German Communist Party and the Trotskyist group calling itself Spartacist?

 

[el-ahrairah]

Dave Spart would disagree.

 

[Random]

Wikipedia says the choice of name was a trot "homage" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Communist_League_(Fourth_Internationalist)

 

[barney_pig]

Betrayed!
you just can't trust these arty types!

Dear Cde Williams

Thank you for making me waste 2.2 hours of decimal time.

I retract my over-enthusiastic response last night - when I saw the names of Posadas and Sankara bracketed together I honestly thought that at last the seeds of the theoretical and practical breakthrough I have long been waiting for had been sown. For too many years I've been disappointed by the antiquated appearance and style of Red Flag, and hoped against hope for a new format that would bring Posadism to the rising generation. The bold graphics and lively style of Proletarian Democracy promised to be a step forward.

Sadly this was not to be.

The new paper presents what can only be called a malicious caricature of the essence of Posadism, putting forward instead of the INEVITABILITY of the atomic war the grotesque notion of the DESIRABILITY of nuclear destruction. In this way the revolutionary optimism of the late Cde Posadas has been turned on its head into a reactionary Malthusian pessimism.

Furthermore the central question of our epoch, the Workers States and the Revolutionary States, in whose hands alone the Bomb has a progressive significance, has been totally ignored and even turned into its opposite by the 'left' communist, petit-bourgeois anarchist proposal that workers should build atomic bombs themselves with whatever resources they can scavenge. Posadas always counted firmly on the already existing progressive consciousness of proletarianised humanity and decried its chronic underestimation by the bureaucracies of the workers movement, but this has nothing in common with reckless spontaneism.

Most disquieting of all is the complete absence from the paper or the website of any mention of Cde Posadas' best-known insight: that communist civilization already exists in the galaxy and that the UFO phenomenon may be evidence of this. Given the level of technology required for interstellar travel, it is inconceivable that it could be developed by a society still trapped in capitalist/imperialist competition or even by one mired in the transitional stage of only partially regenerated Workers States lacking perspective. His logic was impeccably dialectical and materialist and was consciously or unconsciously reproduced by progressive scientists and artists such as Carl Sagan and Gene Roddenberry. However, fear of ridicule from sceptics and pessimists has made many would-be revolutionaries flinch from boldy going forward to call on the great masses to lift up their heads and watch the skies. Such cowards truly put the 'alien' back in 'alienation'!

For these reasons I must say with regret that I cannot support your paper, which can only aggravate the already deplorable fissile tendencies among the advanced elements.

Fraternal regards

Ken MacLeod

 

[rekil]

We can change!

 

[chilango]

Betrayed!
you just can't trust these arty types!

We're not worthy.

 

[BigTom]

That's not actually a real response is it?

"Such cowards truly put the "alien" back in "alienation"

 

[BigTom]

Proletarian Democracy - Putting the alien back in alienation