Workers Power have split

[ViolentPanda]

I said no such thing, I said that the UK FPTP system was amongst the barriers to a new left formation breaking through. It is.

If you're criticising FPTP, then you're as of necessity supporting and proferring electoral reform as a solution, you gom.

 

[ViolentPanda]

(Northern) Ireland: Imperialist Peace A Lie! British Troops Out Now! Not Orange Against Green! Class Against Class! - Spartacist

Whenever I see mention of a deformed workers' state, I always think of the Morlocks.

 

[frogwoman]

I just heard about a french left-communist group that produced a leaflet at a strike that workers shouldn't oppose layoffs because they couldn't oppose them while also opposing capitalism and wage labour

 

[butchersapron]

I think you need to have seen the leaflet to be able to post that. I've seen a lot of trot and leninists groups/members mistake left-communist positions for all sorts of things. I've never heard of any of them take any such position. There is the famous LIP occupation of the early 70s where criticisms of the necessary self-exploitation involved were turned around and used to attack the left-communist via just such claims though.

 

[articul8]

If you're criticising FPTP, then you're as of necessity supporting and proferring electoral reform as a solution, you gom.

FFS - is it simpleton's Monday or something? Of course I'm supporting electoral reform. I'm saying that is in all likelihood necessary but not *sufficient* for a new left formation to breakthrough at an electoral level in the UK.

 

[butchersapron]

Hey Simon, do you want to come and write something for us at the new Syriza HQ? *Licks lips*

 

[framed]

That Ken MacLeod stuff is now up on the blog.

Ken MacLeod, Rachel Khoo, Aprons & Betrayal.

Is Ken's reply a tongue-in-cheek one, or is he really that gullible?

 

[belboid]

Is Ken's reply a tongue-in-cheek one, or is he really that gullible?

No one could be that gullible, surely?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

No one could be that gullible, surely?

This was from ages ago and he was obviously just joining in the fun.

 

[Delroy Booth]

The thing about Proletarian Democracy is that it's a pisstake but done with a lot of sincerity and respect, not malice. I also think being able to take the piss out of yourself is one of the most important things in life, and if the left can learn to do it a bit better we'd be heading in the right direction.

 

[rekil]

Twitter mailbag question.

Are there any science fiction novels based on a Posadist future? Serious question. Would @ProletarianDem know the answer?

I don't know. Are there?

 

[Delroy Booth]

Twitter mailbag question.

I don't know. Are there?

Yeah I'm gonna write one. Seriously. Post-apocalyptic it's gonna be. Fallout New Workers Party (Posadist-Leninist). It's gonna have some Luddites in it too.

 

[Idris2002]

Twitter mailbag question.

I don't know. Are there?

The nearest one I can think of is Arthur Clarke's Childhood's End. In which the aliens aren't actually socialists or anything.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Twitter mailbag question.

I don't know. Are there?

The closest actually is Ken MacLeod's Engines of Light trilogy, which is brilliant and has immortal anarchists fermenting worker's revolutions alongside greys, yetis, and cavemen (and conducting underhand deals with Fabians) against an order dominated by the Roman Empire (who travel between worlds by hitching rides with giant squid navigated ships) in a far flung star system

 

[The39thStep]

That's a vote winner.

Got my postal vote anyway.

 

[DaveCinzano]

The thing about Proletarian Democracy is that it's a pisstake

 

[BigTom]

This could be posted with a PD logo in place of spartacist and everyone would think it was made up. Spartacists are fucking weird. These are the same people that think there should be no age of consent and peadophilia is fine, it's just bourgeouis morality that stops it isn't it?

 

[Delroy Booth]

Permanent Revolution call it a day. http://www.permanentrevolution.net/entry/3434

 

[Pickman's model]

Permanent Revolution call it a day. http://www.permanentrevolution.net/entry/3434

not so permanent then

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

What are the Marxist Networks?

 

[Delroy Booth]

not so permanent then

Can we not have a moment's seriousness to mourn this loss to the working-class movement, comrade?

your glib attempt at "humour" whilst we reel from this body-blow to the international proletarian struggle is both ill-judged and too soon.

RIP Permanent Revolution.

 

[DotCommunist]

someone do an obit for the girder

 

[chilango]

Permanent Revolution call it a day. http://www.permanentrevolution.net/entry/3434

 

[Pickman's model]

Can we not have a moment's seriousness to mourn this loss to the working-class movement, comrade?

your glib attempt at "humour" whilst we reel from this body-blow to the international proletarian struggle is both ill-judged and too soon.

RIP Permanent Revolution.

perhaps after easter they will rise, like the nazarene.

 

[The39thStep]

we recognise the need for the left to organise itself in radically different ways. As a result we have now decided to cease publication of our journal and website.

Radical

 

[mk12]

Where will we now get correct forecasts for the world economy? I hope Bill J finds another outlet for his theories and predictions!

 

[Pickman's model]

Where will we now get correct forecasts for the world economy? I hope Bill J finds another outlet for his theories and predictions!

we'll ask jazzz as usual

 

[DotCommunist]

this is worse than when Revolutionary Perspectives went from a4 down to A5

 

[Pickman's model]

this is worse than when Revolutionary Perspectives went from a4 down to A5

and worse than when mayday went from a4 to a5 too

 

[treelover]

"Instead we will direct our efforts and resources to building those initiatives, regionally, locally and nationally, that we believe offer a way forward that is more effective than the maintenance of ourselves as a distinct group – for example, the Anti-Capitalist Initiative"

I thought the ACI was WP?

anyway, the sects seem to be incurring the domino effect, 1989 in miniature...