Winter Olympics: Putin cautions gay visitors to Sochi

[Johnny Canuck3]

With respect, the point that you seem to be missing is that the suggestion that Google are passing on people's details to the CIA (whether it's all people or merely some), is just a distraction from the question of whether homophobia is a significant problem in Putin's Russia.

I'm not surprised it's been brought up, but you're not obliged to go along with it...

I think what CR says, in a separate point, is that these companies are deliberately misrepresenting the state of gay rights in Russia.

Needless to say, I disagree with that point.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

so what are the athletes being discouraged from doing, exactly ? What are they being otherwise prevented from doing in Russia that they could do somewhere else ?

And how, even remotely, have the Rssians undermined or impinged u[on, never mind breached, the following


The decision by Google to use that in an attack on Russia is a load of bollocks inho . Theres no substance to any allegation or implication that part of the Olympic charter has been broken or undermined in any manner. Its deliberate confusion mongering. Propaganda with no actual truthful basis. Encouragement of a lie.

Are you alleging that the mayor of Sochi did not in fact say 'there are no gays in Sochi'?

 

[Casually Red]

Are you alleging that the mayor of Sochi did not in fact say 'there are no gays in Sochi'?

no, what has that to do with the point I made . Is it a protest against an idiot Mayor now ? As a Canadian your well aware that if having an idiot mayor in a town was a crime youd never have a hope of hosting winter Olympics

 

[Casually Red]

I think what CR says, in a separate point, is that these companies are deliberately misrepresenting the state of gay rights in Russia.

Needless to say, I disagree with that point.

and you disagree with the statements by Russian gays in sochi and elsewhere who say they are too. In the article you yourself posted.

 

[RedDragon]

Dispatches - Hunted

 

[andysays]

Dispatches - Hunted

You do realise that the fact that video appears on google/youtube demonstrates conclusively that it's putting forward propaganda in support of the imperialist US neo-cons and undermining Putin's god-given right to encourage violent homophobia don't you?

And that anyone foolish enough to click on it will immediately have all their personal info sucked into the CIA's huge info store in Langley, Virginia?

 

[Casually Red]

fabulous exaggerating there

 

[weltweit]

 

[RedDragon]

 

[Casually Red]

interesting piece here from that git who looks like boselecta bear that flounced off RT a while back after denouncing them for telling lies about the United states, among other things . Confirms my view most of this western hysteria is based upon the ignorance of the many and the agendas of the few . Its geo politics. From the same bunch of cunts who are boycotting Olympics on offended liberal grounds while cheering on neo nazis in Ukraine in the next breath .

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9126622/putins-pink-peril/

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9126622/putins-pink-peril/



what these idiots dont even grasp either is that the bigger the hysteria they create on these trumped up, exaggerated and sometimes downright fabricated issues the stronger they make Putin at home, not weaker . Because hes plainly angering the west and having them behave like the hypocrites they are. If Russias an enemy then it means Russias being taken seriously for the first time in a very long time.

Idiots.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

no, what has that to do with the point I made . Is it a protest against an idiot Mayor now ? As a Canadian your well aware that if having an idiot mayor in a town was a crime youd never have a hope of hosting winter Olympics

The mayor of Vancouver during the run up to and at the time of the games, was Sam Sullivan, pictured here with the flag. I don't understand your point.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

and you disagree with the statements by Russian gays in sochi and elsewhere who say they are too. In the article you yourself posted.

I agree that there are gay people in Sochi, just as there are gay people everywhere. I disagree with the puppet mayor's denial of the fact.

 

[Casually Red]

I agree that there are gay people in Sochi, just as there are gay people everywhere. I disagree with the puppet mayor's denial of the fact.

you plainly werent asked whether there were gay people in Sochi. I asked you whether or not you thought the gay people in Sochi quoted in that article you linked to were puppets, liars whatever. Ill take it from your deliberate evasion that must be the case .

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And that anyone foolish enough to click on it will immediately have all their personal info sucked into the CIA's huge info store in Langley, Virginia?

Just don't play Angry Birds once you've watched it.

The National Security Agency and its UK counterpart GCHQ have been developing capabilities to take advantage of "leaky" smartphone apps, such as the wildly popular Angry Birds game, that transmit users' private information across the internet, according to top secret documents.

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Many smartphone owners will be unaware of the full extent this information is being shared across the internet, and even the most sophisticated would be unlikely to realise that all of it is available for the spy agencies to collect.

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Depending on what profile information a user had supplied, the documents suggested, the agency would be able to collect almost every key detail of a user's life: including home country, current location (through geolocation), age, gender, zip code, marital status – options included "single", "married", "divorced", "swinger" and more – income, ethnicity, sexual orientation, education level, and number of children.

The agencies also made use of their mobile interception capabilities to collect location information in bulk, from Google and other mapping apps. One basic effort by GCHQ and the NSA was to build a database geolocating every mobile phone mast in the world – meaning that just by taking tower ID from a handset, location information could be gleaned.
A more sophisticated effort, though, relied on intercepting Google Maps queries made on smartphones, and using them to collect large volumes of location information.

So successful was this effort that one 2008 document noted that "t effectively means that anyone using Google Maps on a smartphone is working in support of a GCHQ system."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/27/nsa-gchq-smartphone-app-angry-birds-personal-data

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

you plainly werent asked whether there were gay people in Sochi. I asked you whether or not you thought the gay people in Sochi quoted in that article you linked to were puppets, liars whatever. Ill take it from your deliberate evasion that must be the case .

It wasn't an easy question to understand:

and you disagree with the statements by Russian gays in sochi and elsewhere who say they are too.

 

[Casually Red]

well you understand it now . According to the gay people in Sochi in the article you linked to the companies you were maintaining arent exaggerating a lack of gay rights in Russia actually are exaggerating . Very much so.
So it would appear you believe the gay people to be wrong about the state of gay rights in Russia and yourself..well not you really..the western individuals and interests making these accusations.. to be right.

 

[TomUS]

what these idiots dont even grasp either is that the bigger the hysteria they create on these trumped up, exaggerated and sometimes downright fabricated issues the stronger they make Putin at home, not weaker .

That's the whole idea behind Putin's strategy.....to make him stronger by oppressing gays, journalists, protesters (e.g., Pussy Riot). This makes him popular with his religious right base.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

well you understand it now . According to the gay people in Sochi in the article you linked to the companies you were maintaining arent exaggerating a lack of gay rights in Russia actually are exaggerating . Very much so.
So it would appear you believe the gay people to be wrong about the state of gay rights in Russia and yourself..well not you really..the western individuals and interests making these accusations.. to be right.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The important distinction, imo, is between rights, and toleration. Having rights, means you can do something, or be something, without interference by the government. As well, if other citizens try to interfere with you doing or being something, they themselves will have broken the law.

Tolerance means that there are laws or powerful social attitudes against a person doing or being some specific thing, but that at various times, the laws are set aside, not enforced, etc. Like the laws in some US states still on the books making it a crime for a white and a black person to marry.

Based on comments by govt officials, and on laws passed there both federally and regionally, Russian gays are tolerated to a greater or lesser degree.

They do not have equivalent rights vis a vis being gay, as do heterosexual Russian people, nor equivalent rights as enjoyed by gay people in a number of other countries.

 

[Casually Red]

they dont have the right to marry..therefore its like nazi germany, therefore boycott the olympics

its a load of bollocks

eta

there is no legal bar on Russians being gay or having gay sexual relations either . The government dont interfere in it .

 

[Casually Red]

are you seriously trying to tell us that quite old looking photo is of a man arrested for being gay ?

 

[wozzakeepsFCUM]

Sorry if already posted. Saw this on Facebook.
http://www.upworthy.com/canada-makes-a-great-point-about-the-olympics-in-thirty-seconds

 

[TomUS]

Sorry if already posted. Saw this on Facebook.
http://www.upworthy.com/canada-makes-a-great-point-about-the-olympics-in-thirty-seconds

Vlad the impaler wouldn't like that.

 

[frogwoman]

I just saw that documentary, so shocked I don't know what to say

 

[teqniq]

 

[teqniq]

 

[scalyboy]

there is no legal bar on Russians being gay or having gay sexual relations either . The government dont interfere in it .

Putin's anti 'gay propaganda' legislation is encouraging individuals and groups in Russia to perpetrate violent attacks on gay people, seemingly sanctioned by the police. The state has legitimized homophobia, in this case by linking homosexuality with paedophilia.

 

[Casually Red]

Putin's anti 'gay propaganda' legislation is encouraging individuals and groups in Russia to perpetrate violent attacks on gay people, seemingly sanctioned by the police. The state has legitimized homophobia, in this case by linking homosexuality with paedophilia.

really ? who told you that ? I think that particular theorys a load of self serving bollocks myself , extrapolated after scraping the barrel to find a liberal justification for plain old anti Russian prejudice and sometimes open hatred. I find it very difficult to accept it was Vladimir Putin who linked homosexuality to pedophilia in the Russian public mind . In fact I find it preposterous as a suggestion .

Ive seen Holland elect politicians like Pym Fortuyn and others who make anti Islamic statements and laws, Austria, Switzerland, Britian, United states, France..were muslim men and women are often characterised as walking timebombs. And were muslims, and even Brazilians, have been attacked and killed in waves of public hysteria. But theres been absolutely nothing like this in response to that .
Because its bollocks and hypocrisy. A thin veil over naked anti Russian hatred and prejudice which has been in vogue right accross the wests ruling elite and its media channels for a very long time now. Well before Sochi.

Leaving aside the fact that the extremist group who were attacking gay men, a number of whom were actually pedophiles as well, are on the run from the police, with their leader currently being extradited from Cuba where hed fled to avoid arrest, what put those notions in the Russian public mind years before this bylaw were highly publicised cases of western gay couples, who were also pedophiles, adopting Russian kids for use as their personal sex slaves. That caused outrage right accross Russia .

As did other cases of westerners adopting Russian kids and basically beating them to death or otherwise causing their deaths through neglect . Putin eventually banned all foreign adoptions in response to public outrage and demands for the law to be changed. And not overnight either, but after repeated cases of Russian diplomats not getting any answers from western law enforcement or adoption agencies as to the fate of dead and missing Russian children. It certainly wasnt him or a recent bylaw putting these notions around .

And the issue of anti pedo internet honey traps certainly isnt a Russian invention either . Its been going on all over the world for years now, regularly highly publicised . To suggest its this law that has now inspired a few nutters to use this tactic is an absolute insult to peoples intelligence . Its a handful of nutters currently on the run from the law we are talking about here in a country of many many millions . Not some state sponsored conspiracy . The very same thing could easily happen in Britain, a country were a handful of nutters once smashed up a paediatricians during a weekend were enraged mobs prowled the streets in their thousands looking for dodgy types who might be a threat to kids on the most spurious of grounds . I dont remember any international boycotts though .

I was atching that Channel 4 the other night with that gay mountain sketch . All it was was every old cliched anti Russian stereotype used to whip up anti Russian prejudice given a thin liberal veneer to justify it whipping up the crowd . A hateful turd with a liberal cherry on top to take the bad look of it . Russia is the wests enemy . Public opinion is being prepared and the useful idiots are yet again queuing up to justify the hatred necessary for the future face offs and showdowns . Thats all this is about .

 

[scalyboy]

I find it very difficult to accept it was Vladimir Putin who linked homosexuality to pedophilia in the Russian public mind . In fact I find it preposterous as a suggestion

“Article 6.21
Propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations among minors
1.Propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations among minors expressed in distribution of information that is aimed at the formation
among minors of non-traditional sexual attitudes, attractiveness of non-traditional sexual relations, misperceptions of the social equivalence of traditional and non-traditional sexual relations, or enforcing information about non-traditional sexual relations that evokes interest to such relations, if these actions do not constitute a criminal offence..."
http://lgbtnet.ru/sites/default/fil...aditional_sexual_relations_2d_reading_eng.pdf

What do you suppose they mean by "non-traditional sexual relations"?

 

[scalyboy]

But theres been absolutely nothing like this in response to that

Have you watched C4's 'Hunted'?