Will you be applying for an EU passport post-Brexit?

[NoXion]

I hate to tell you this but Europe has not suddenly become less united or more nationalistic in the last 24 hours.

Don't you know? Conflict and racism on a continental rather than national scale is totally woke.

 

[philosophical]

I hate to tell you this but Europe has not suddenly become less united or more nationalistic in the last 24 hours.

In my opinion it has because the UK leaving the EU has damaged unity, and I believe the impetus for that is nationalism.
The events of the last 24 hours seems to me to have formalised that state, most particularly for England although I am less sure that the remaining EU states have become more nationalistic as England seems to have done.
I am not persuaded by the notion that the UK has become more global and outwood looking than before in a positive sense, and the introduction of the latest buzz word utilised by the vermin is 'bucaneering', which to me stinks of theft and exploitation.

 

[platinumsage]

I'm not eligble. My best hope would be if Wales becomes independent and rejoins, and they bestow citizenship upon the great great grandchildren of Welsh-born people, which is no hope at all really, not that I care as I don't want an EU passport anyway.

 

[Spymaster]

If one of your grandparents was born in Ireland you can get a Paddy Passport.

If your dog's called Seamus you can get a Paddy passport, tbf.

 

[SpackleFrog]

In my opinion it has because the UK leaving the EU has damaged unity, and I believe the impetus for that is nationalism.
The events of the last 24 hours seems to me to have formalised that state, most particularly for England although I am less sure that the remaining EU states have become more nationalistic as England seems to have done.
I am not persuaded by the notion that the UK has become more global and outwood looking than before in a positive sense, and the introduction of the latest buzz word utilised by the vermin is 'bucaneering', which to me stinks of theft and exploitation.

Your opinion doesn't make any sense though.

Have you seen what is happening in Hungary? Or even Germany, Italy, Spain? Finland? Nationalism is on the rise even more than here in many parts of Europe, not less.

I can't/won't respond to your point about the UK not becoming more 'outward looking' (whatever you believe that to mean) because no one in the thread has suggested it would.

 

[Pickman's model]

Your opinion doesn't make any sense though.

This should not come as a surprise

 

[SpackleFrog]

This should not come as a surprise

Oh be nice its a new year!

 

[Pickman's model]

In my opinion it has because the UK leaving the EU has damaged unity, and I believe the impetus for that is nationalism.
The events of the last 24 hours seems to me to have formalised that state, most particularly for England although I am less sure that the remaining EU states have become more nationalistic as England seems to have done.
I am not persuaded by the notion that the UK has become more global and outwood looking than before in a positive sense, and the introduction of the latest buzz word utilised by the vermin is 'bucaneering', which to me stinks of theft and exploitation.

Unity? What, unity in the UK or the EU? And your post gets worse from that inauspicious start. If you haven't seen increasing nationalism among EU states that's because you've not been paying attention. Have you heard of eg Poland and Hungary? Turning to the UK becoming more global and outward looking than before, before what? Before joining the common market? Before the cm became the eec? Before 2016? Before the 2019 election? Before the transition period ended? If you have a point you keep it remarkably well concealed

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh be nice its a new year!

If he feels I've not been wholly kind he should be philosophical about it

 

[philosophical]

Your opinion doesn't make any sense though.

Have you seen what is happening in Hungary? Or even Germany, Italy, Spain? Finland? Nationalism is on the rise even more than here in many parts of Europe, not less.

I can't/won't respond to your point about the UK not becoming more 'outward looking' (whatever you believe that to mean) because no one in the thread has suggested it would.

If nationalism is on the rise I hope it is resisted and counteracted. Given what has happened in the UK there is a strong chance nationalism will win, but that for me would a bitter blow to a lifetime largely spent with a degree of hope which was devastated in 2016.
As for the notion of outward looking I believe that was a selling point promoted by the brexit snakes.

 

[philosophical]

Unity? What, unity in the UK or the EU? And your post gets worse from that inauspicious start. If you haven't seen increasing nationalism among EU states that's because you've not been paying attention. Have you heard of eg Poland and Hungary? Turning to the UK becoming more global and outward looking than before, before what? Before joining the common market? Before the cm became the eec? Before 2016? Before the 2019 election? Before the transition period ended? If you have a point you keep it remarkably well concealed

I have seen an increase in nationalism closer to London simply by looking at Scotland. The globalisation point is that those promoting brexit seemed to say that before brexit the UK was less 'global' but now after brexit it would be more so.
There you go. Before and after something, hope that helps you.

 

[Pickman's model]

I have seen an increase in nationalism closer to London simply by looking at Scotland. The globalisation point is that those promoting brexit seemed to say that before brexit the UK was less 'global' but now after brexit it would be more so.
There you go. Before and after something, hope that helps you.

Before brexit covers all previous history and so isn't really useful

 

[SpackleFrog]

If nationalism is on the rise I hope it is resisted and counteracted. Given what has happened in the UK there is a strong chance nationalism will win, but that for me would a bitter blow to a lifetime largely spent with a degree of hope which was devastated in 2016.
As for the notion of outward looking I believe that was a selling point promoted by the brexit snakes.

Your use of the word 'if' seems a bit odd here. Nationalism is on the rise across Europe, across the world in fact. You don't deny that do you? I think what you've said so far is just that you don't know what is happening in Europe.

Some people are attempting to combat the growth of nationalism, of course, but the EU is not attempting to combat nationalism. Most of the extreme nationalist forces in Europe are represented in the EU parliament.

I think this hope you say you felt before 2016 may have been misplaced.

Again, I have no interest in what views you may believe 'Brexit snakes' to hold (whoever they are), I'm primarily interested in views expressed on this thread.

 

[philosophical]

Before brexit covers all previous history and so isn't really useful

Useful?
You have no interest as to whether what I say is useful or not. Your modus operandi is either wanting to tell me what to do, or counteracting what I say because it is me saying it.
If I posted that nobody should ever kick a kitten in the face, you would probably find some way of saying that actually kitten kicking ought to happen.

 

[philosophical]

Your use of the word 'if' seems a bit odd here. Nationalism is on the rise across Europe, across the world in fact. You don't deny that do you? I think what you've said so far is just that you don't know what is happening in Europe.

Some people are attempting to combat the growth of nationalism, of course, but the EU is not attempting to combat nationalism. Most of the extreme nationalist forces in Europe are represented in the EU parliament.

I think this hope you say you felt before 2016 may have been misplaced.

Again, I have no interest in what views you may believe 'Brexit snakes' to hold (whoever they are), I'm primarily interested in views expressed on this thread.

I have mentioned before that I am old. Born into rationing and austerity where the recent European conflict and terrible events of the holocaust were very dominant forces culturally and psychologically, and certainly had a big influence on my formative years.
For those (and other subsequent) reasons I saw the desire for a degree of collaboration, however flawed, amongst Europeans as a desirable and hopeful.

 

[Pickman's model]

Useful?
You have no interest as to whether what I say is useful or not. Your modus operandi is either wanting to tell me what to do, or counteracting what I say because it is me saying it.
If I posted that nobody should ever kick a kitten in the face, you would probably find some way of saying that actually kitten kicking ought to happen.

your mo is not to engage with what people say about your posts but as you do here to personalise things.

Your declaration that my mo is either wanting to tell you what to do or to contradict you isn't borne out by the facts and suggests your previous accusations of control freakery were wide of the mark. After all, if my mo is wanting to tell you what to do it is not telling you what to do. We would find common ground if you did stick up for kitten rights. But I don't think you give two hoots about cats.

 

[brogdale]

I have mentioned before that I am old. Born into rationing and austerity where the recent European conflict and terrible events of the holocaust were very dominant forces culturally and psychologically, and certainly had a big influence on my formative years.
For those (and other subsequent) reasons I saw the desire for a degree of collaboration, however flawed, amongst Europeans as a desirable and hopeful.

Not detracting from the point you're making, but being born into post-war rationing could mean you're as young as 67.
Not, IMHO, "old".

 

[philosophical]

your mo is not to engage with what people say about your posts but as you do here to personalise things.

Your declaration that my mo is either wanting to tell you what to do or to contradict you isn't borne out by the facts and suggests your previous accusations of control freakery were wide of the mark. After all, if my mo is wanting to tell you what to do it is not telling you what to do. We would find common ground if you did stick up for kitten rights. But I don't think you give two hoots about cats.

Your speculation is wrong. As for your comment about personalising things...do me a favour it is basically all you do when responding to things I write.
You are a control freak in my view, and I have frequently pointed out examples of when you do it.
facts if you like, ones you ignore possibly because it does not sit comfortably with you.
I may not be the only contributor that does not fawn or bend to your desire for dominance on urban75 which seems to annoy you.

 

[Pickman's model]

Your speculation is wrong. As for your comment about personalising things...do me a favour it is basically all you do when responding to things I write.
You are a control freak in my view, and I have frequently pointed out examples of when you do it.
facts if you like, ones you ignore possibly because it does not sit comfortably with you.
I may not be the only contributor that does not fawn or bend to your desire for dominance on urban75 which seems to annoy you.

What annoys me is that you don't actually bring anything worth eating to the urban table. You never have. You never outargue people. And you certainly haven't outargued me, for whenever I take issue with one of your posts you start bleating on about control freakery instead of addressing what I actually say. I have no desire for dominance. I have no desire to control you. You make these allegations for your own reasons, it's certainly not because there's any actual truth or validity in them - it's your way of trying to deal with me. I'd love to see you try a different tack this year - dealing with what I say in my posts and not with what you declare to be my motives for posting. I don't think such an approach beyond you, I don't think it unreasonable or controlling to ask, as it's the way everyone bar you behaves here.

 

[platinumsage]

Pickman’s is wrong far too often to be a control freak.

 

[Gramsci]

Gibraltar looks like is going to have deal where its part of Schengen area.

I wonder if rest of UK could join- you dont have to be EU to join.

Would solve passport problem.

 

[philosophical]

What annoys me is that you don't actually bring anything worth eating to the urban table. You never have. You never outargue people. And you certainly haven't outargued me, for whenever I take issue with one of your posts you start bleating on about control freakery instead of addressing what I actually say. I have no desire for dominance. I have no desire to control you. You make these allegations for your own reasons, it's certainly not because there's any actual truth or validity in them - it's your way of trying to deal with me. I'd love to see you try a different tack this year - dealing with what I say in my posts and not with what you declare to be my motives for posting. I don't think such an approach beyond you, I don't think it unreasonable or controlling to ask, as it's the way everyone bar you behaves here.

You write more rubbish with every post, however there is a clue as to your motivation when you say 'you never outargue people'.
That is what you seem to want the Urban table to be laden with, some kind of trophy sideboard with awards for winning arguments.
There is space on the table for other things too, for example people posting their experiences. Mentioning an experience is not about setting up a win lose point to be debated, but a way of informing and sharing.
As for dealing with what you say in your posts, do you ever actually say anything? I reckon if you did say something interesting or worthwhile I might be minded to respond (not that it matters much if I do or don't) however from memory you have never posted anything worth responding to. You seem obsessed with trying to put one over on others, a reactive approach, not proactive in any way.
Don't you think it rather cowardly on your part that you seek to put others down for no better reason than you think you have the capacity to do so, as in (laugh out very loud) outargue?
In my opinion you're the classic vacuous poster who when dealing with certain others can only offer humourless sarcasm because, well I don't really know why, perhaps because you are essentially a very sad person

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I'm eligible but not planning to apply - my mum is Slovak, but as there's very little paper trail of her life there we've found (my brother tried) that it's a bit tricky. There is one document my mum could dig up that would probably work, but in the end he didn't want to ask her to have to find it. If we find some really good reason to, or maybe someone comes across that one document at my parents' house, maybe I'd go for it, but TBH I'm not likely to relocate or work abroad (it'd be more useful for my husband who could do the latter) so there's no massive reason for having one.

Might be worthwhile doing so to protect your children's rights? Many EU countries allow grandchildren to apply for passports through their grandparents' lineage.

I have a vague recollection... are your parents hoarders? Is that maybe the reason why your brother's reluctant to ask for the document(s), because they might be hard to retrieve? Or am I way off base here and confusing you with another urbanite with hoarder parents (I know there are a few.)

Sorry to be indelicate, but if you're hoping to come across documents in due course through house clearance, what if you don't find them?

Wouldn't it be better to try to get the document(s) now? Then if they can't be found, perhaps your mother can help with trying to secure replacements before it's too late and perhaps becomes trickier, if not impossible?

 

[Cloo]

Confusing me with another urb! It's just mum has cfs/me so we wouldn't want to make work for her. I suppose we could dig around if we wanted to, bilut obviously not an option right now!

 

[moochedit]

Gibraltar looks like is going to have deal where its part of Schengen area.

I wonder if rest of UK could join- you dont have to be EU to join.

Would solve passport problem.

Techically yes the uk could join but i think it's very unlikely to happen.

 

[mauvais]

The UK could have joined Schengen when it was in the EU, but it chose not to, for sort of sensible reasons - bit different when you're an island. Nothing has really changed in that respect now we're out.

 

[Pickman's model]

Pickman’s is wrong far too often to be a control freak.

It's not the ringing endorsement I'd have liked...

 

[Pickman's model]

You write more rubbish with every post, however there is a clue as to your motivation when you say 'you never outargue people'.
That is what you seem to want the Urban table to be laden with, some kind of trophy sideboard with awards for winning arguments.

we no I don't, I'd like to see you engage with what people say rather than continually attack the poster.

There is space on the table for other things too, for example people posting their experiences. Mentioning an experience is not about setting up a win lose point to be debated, but a way of informing and sharing.

go on then

As for dealing with what you say in your posts, do you ever actually say anything? I reckon if you did say something interesting or worthwhile I might be minded to respond (not that it matters much if I do or don't) however from memory you have never posted anything worth responding to. You seem obsessed with trying to put one over on others, a reactive approach, not proactive in any way.

if I never put at anything worth responding to why are you so insistent in posting lengthy dull diatribes like this one?

Don't you think it rather cowardly on your part that you seek to put others down for no better reason than you think you have the capacity to do so, as in (laugh out very loud) outargue?

you have had years to persuade people of your point about brexit but you haven't. And throughout that time you've been wishing all manner of nasty things on brexit voters, you've cast all manner of insults at people whose views differ from you. You haven't shown any inclination to move things forwards, and you show no actual interest in the community which makes urban rather special. It's really rather pathetic

In my opinion you're the classic vacuous poster who when dealing with certain others can only offer humourless sarcasm because, well I don't really know why, perhaps because you are essentially a very sad person

I haven't offered humourless sarcasm

 

[philosophical]

we no I don't, I'd like to see you engage with what people say rather than continually attack the poster.
go on thenif I never put at anything worth responding to why are you so insistent in posting lengthy dull diatribes like this one?
you have had years to persuade people of your point about brexit but you haven't. And throughout that time you've been wishing all manner of nasty things on brexit voters, you've cast all manner of insults at people whose views differ from you. You haven't shown any inclination to move things forwards, and you show no actual interest in the community which makes urban rather special. It's really rather pathetic
I haven't offered humourless sarcasm

Continually attacking is what you do.
'Go on then' is another example of your control freakery.
You are the master of dull diatribes as you have proved on here today.
I have not been in the business of trying to persuade.
'All manner of nasty things' and 'all manner of insults' is a handy catch all way of lying I grant you that.
When you say the community that makes urban rather special I presume you're talking about yourself, because to me 'community' is not defined by everybody being a clone of Pickman's model.
That you declare my contribution to be pathetic I thank you for, because I take that opinion as a compliment coming from you.
In my opinion your humourless sarcasm is your strongest suit.

 

[equationgirl]

I'll probably just hang on until Scotland rejoins, then apply for one then. Don't know if I would need to apply for Scottish residency first, as have lived here for nearly 30 years but was not born here.