Why the lib-dems are shit

[butchersapron]

That cable statement:

‘Lord Oakeshott’s actions are totally inexcusable and unacceptable. I have made it very clear repeatedly that he does not speak or act for me.

‘Commissioning and publishing polls without the consent of the Member of Parliament, as in the case of Sheffield Hallam, is utterly reprehensible.

‘There are undoubtedly raw feelings in the wake of poor local and European election results. We need to respond in a measured way. Public speculation about the leadership is an unwelcome distraction and as I made absolutely clear yesterday there is no leadership issue as far as I’m concerned.

and if you believe that you'll believe anything. Tuition fees, NHS, anything.

 

[butchersapron]

Someone asked me recently why I’m a Lib Dem. It’s because I believe in freedom, in equality, in a decent chance for every child. It’s because I believe in protecting the environment, in international cooperation, in a supportive but submissive state. It’s because I believe that liberalism really is the solution to many of society’s most entrenched problems. I want to shout about that from the rooftops and this is my challenge to my fellow party members.

No it's not. It's because you're a cunt.

 

[killer b]

smart middle class patches AND tougher urban areas eh?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

They used to be less 'racist' (for want of a better description) so that early defection is not as surprising - in the early days I think it was about curbing the powers of the superstate and not much else - why there are a few dissenters from this period like Sked throwing muck at Nigel now he's gone more strongly after immigration.

The Lib dems in the seat next to mine were put there by the student vote, so I'm probably seeing their support through that perspective (plus the Waitrose sect), and I can't see those type of supporters really taking that big an idealogical swing, but I guess that's not the case everywhere. I'd like to see the post-election polls showing what people's previous votes were when they appear.

Fair enough am on my phone so will just say Isle of Dogs - Libdems are not all museli belt liberals.

 

[brogdale]

This graph from Staines is actually quite funny....%'s from LibDem Voice poll of 992 party members asked "should he stay or should he go now?"



.....there will be trouble

 

[butchersapron]

What does this pious guff mean anyway:

The commissioning and publishing of polls without the consent of the member of parliament is utterly reprehensible.

Anyone can do a poll on what they like without the MPs permission you freaky authoritarian. Do they need to ask Cleggs permission to wipe their arse on a pic of his face?

 

[JTG]

What does this pious guff mean anyway:



Anyone can do a poll on what they like without the MPs permission you freaky authoritarian. Do they need to ask Cleggs permission to wipe their arse on a pic of his face?

Yeah, I wondered that earlier - surely there isn't some kind of convention covering this?

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah, I wondered that earlier - surely there isn't some kind of convention covering this?

Nothing whatsoever - literally nothing.

 

[JTG]

Nothing whatsoever - literally nothing.

Inventing ethical standards that don't exist so he can say he'd definitely never contravene them

 

[elbows]

WFT are headteachers doing

Some of the time, some of them are feeding their own ego's.

In 1989-90 at my school the soon-to-retire head tried to get 50 celebs to plant a tree each at the school to celebrate 50 years of the school existing. I'm not sure he got 50, but we did have visits from the likes of Jeffrey Archer and David Owen. At some point Neil Kinnock turned up, a right circus that one was.

 

[elbows]

As for David Owen, he was a charisma black hole.

 

[butchersapron]

That cable statement:



and if you believe that you'll believe anything. Tuition fees, NHS, anything.

Some people bought it:
Vince Cable accuses Lib Dem peer of commissioning unauthorised polls

Cook accuses england of losing ashes?

 

[butchersapron]

As for David Owen, he was a charisma black hole.

He always thought he was Brian ferry. He was barely Paul Thompson.

 

[Tankus]

What does this pious guff mean anyway:



Anyone can do a poll on what they like without the MPs permission you freaky authoritarian. Do they need to ask Cleggs permission to wipe their arse on a pic of his face?

It was an internal poll apparently ,members only .........

Fucking hilarious tbh

 

[SpackleFrog]

So is Clegg gonna get shafted or not? I've gone and bet SpineyNorman a tenner he's gonna get thrown to the wolves before the GE.

 

[butchersapron]

It was an internal poll apparently ,members only .........

Fucking hilarious tbh

No it wasn't.

 

[butchersapron]

So is Clegg gonna get shafted or not? I've gone and bet SpineyNorman a tenner he's gonna get thrown to the wolves before the GE.

Nope. The wolf just bottled it.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Nope. The wolf just bottled it.

Ahhh, c'mon, that was just an opening salvo surely? The poll to ram home the concerns over Clegg and the righteous indignation to appear loyal and selfless. I'm not losing faith in my drunken bets that easy.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Its like I said upthread, a major minus to trying to dethrone NC is that the next leader could lose their seat and they'd end up with 3 inside a year. That would greatly lengthen the laughing-stock factor.

All this should have been done before, were it to be done at all. This is the fourth year of shit results.

 

[Tankus]

No it wasn't.

Ah ...OK there were two polls , oakeshotts wasn't , my bad .

 

[butchersapron]

Ah ...OK there were two polls , oakeshotts wasn't , my bad .

The party one wasn't even a poll. It was the equivalent of a vote on here (or any other registration required forum), and they shut it down 7 hours before planned as soon as cleggs support went over 50%

 

[butchersapron]

Ahhh, c'mon, that was just an opening salvo surely? The poll to ram home the concerns over Clegg and the righteous indignation to appear loyal and selfless. I'm not losing faith in my drunken bets that easy.

I reckon there's a 3-4 week window now. After that, no chance. A lost deposit on thursday in newark is what's needed to get the ball properly rolling. Desperate MPs thinking their own pay-cheque is going down the river is a good nerve steadier.

 

[brogdale]

I reckon there's a 3-4 week window now. After that, no chance. A lost deposit on thursday in newark is what's needed to get the ball properly rolling. Desperate MPs thinking their own pay-cheque is going down the river is good nerve steadier.

20% in 2010; there's real scope for a proper disaster...especially with Bus Pass Elvis as a rival for 5th place!

 

[brogdale]

Q: [From Sky News] What do you think about Lord Oakeshott's poll? Should he be disciplined? And are you convinced Vince Cable had nothing to do with this?

Clegg says it was "odd" for a Lib Dem to spent time and money, when everyone else was out campaigning, on a "specious" poll. And, by the way, the findings of the poll were confounded by the election results. In his constituency, the Lib Dems won.

Hmmmm

That favour from the tories proved very useful, then?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Hmmmm

That favour from the tories proved very useful, then?

If you mean the Tories in Hallam they've been voting Lib Dem for years - I doubt that Clegg proving himself a useful stooge will turn them against him.

 

[brogdale]

If you mean the Tories in Hallam they've been voting Lib Dem for years - I doubt that Clegg proving himself a useful stooge will turn them against him.

Voting tactically is one thing, but not putting up candidates in 2 Hallam wards looks very smelly....almost as though Clegg suspected that Cable's lot were up to something and called in a favour from Dave.

 

[brogdale]

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Does make you wonder if that one MEP in the SE was crucial to the 'coup-plotters' game-plan. Perhaps they really were waiting for total wipe-out to mount the challenge?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Voting tactically is one thing, but not putting up candidates in 2 Hallam wards looks very smelly....almost as though Clegg suspected that Cable's lot were up to something and called in a favour from Dave.

Fair, hadn't spotted that actually.

 

[belboid]

they have skipped wards in the past, so its not completely uncommon. They only got about 300 in the two they dropped this time in 2012, so it may genuinely be that they just had no one willing to put themselves through it.

Twas even more extreme in Rotherham, loads of seats with just two candidates - always Labour & UKIP. Which is, partly, why the kippers did so well. Total liberal vote in Rotherham? 136. Only bothered to stand in one seat.

 

[killer b]

it's not a matter of 'not being bothered' to stand, just like it's not a case of them 'not bothering' to canvas. They don't have the members anymore - not only to canvas, but to even put up paper candidates. It's an indication of how utterly desperate the situation is for them.